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Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Squirrels.
bees.
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2014 at 10:43am

potatoes for $1 so why grow your own?

permaculturenews.org

Valid question - if it costs the gardener more to grow them than to buy at Winco or Aldi or Walmart, why grow your own?

my thoughts-

-if your perpetuate your own seed potatoes, it becomes free as far as money is concerned

-there is a connection to earth and soil, especially locally, when you grow your own.  I can't describe that.  I feel it.

-maintaining the tradition, means the process is less mysterious.  It's really easy, and minimal effort, but somehow coming from the grocery store it seems like expertise is needed.

-your own potatoes, I hope, are not laden with herbicides and pesticides.

-continue multi strains, especially locally adapted and individualistic for flavor, novelty, local productivity.

-genetic diversity.  Industrialized growing means dependence on a very small # of strains, unwise and unsafe and dependent on corporate ag.

- I thought my home grown potatoes were bursting with flavor.  One becomes so accustomed to store potatoes, tasting like cardboard, we really don't realize that potatoes are intended to be delicious.

Those are my thoughts added to the article.  I intend to continue growing potatoes next year.

Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2014 at 9:00am

Barbara, thanks for the info.  I have not read about Masanobu Fukuoka's methods.  Will have to look into that. 

Just about the direct opposite, the "Backyard Orchard Culture" method allows for very close placement of fruit trees, keeping them to small size for maximum diversity in a small space.  Of course, that is promoted by a fruit tree nursery, and would sell more trees.  But it has a point. 

Many different ways to do things.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 9, 2014 at 8:35am

Daniel, have you read anything about Masanobu Fukuoka's method of growing fruit trees - no pruning?  He was the mentor of Larry Korn the lecturer on permaculture I'm currently listening to. 

Comment by Randall Smith on November 9, 2014 at 7:40am

Wow, busy site here! I had to go back 3 "pages" worth of comments.

Daniel, just from experience, I'd say persimmons are not self-pollinating. Although to prove it, I'd have to cut down my 4 "males". They have never had "babies"! And I have a lone pear tree that is prolific in fruit production. I like your orchard set up. Fingers crossed you have a good year in '15.

Barbara, Chris, and Joan: I enjoy reading your back and forth comments! Love to read what others are doing. Inspirational.

Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2014 at 7:39am

Joan, I think here the permaculture idea would need to be less focused on water conservation, and more on other aspects such as food forest.

Most likely, my little orchard fits into the food forest idea.  Many different species, many different cultivars of each.  Some will flourish, grow, bear fruit.  Some wont.  Evolution on 2 acres, as the ones that don't grow die and are forgotten, and the ones that do grow, grow.

Yesterday I ordered one semidwarf apple, to replace a little apple tree that I planted 2 falls ago and for some reason it didn't survive.   This is a 4-variety multigraft, and will be large enough for me to add more if scion is available.  Also two for containers, that can be hauled into the garage for a killing frost or freeze - a genetic dwarf apricot and an olive, for play. 

I use mostly plastic or wooden containers.  Clay dries out so much in summer, and develops too much salty crust with my hard water.  Will check on research, there probably is some.

Comment by Plinius on November 9, 2014 at 3:11am

Thanks Joan! A good video with a beautiful positive sound!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 11:47pm

Barbara, I didn't get that far to see there was a cost. I just read "free" something or other. There is so much information on the internet, I don't think paying for classes is necessary. I would love, however, to go for a series in Australia with Geoff. That isn't going to happen and besides, I don't want to travel any more. That is out of my system. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 11:47pm

With the high heat on my patio using plastic pots just cooked the plants. Smart Pots are made of a fabric type material that allows the plants to breath, and they allow the plants to self prune. The one aspect of smart pots is that you can use a heavier soil in them and are not restricted to potting soil. And as I told Chris, you can grow anything from a small flower up to a tree in them.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GrnTSXsFKI

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 11:37pm

Joan, I did NOT sign up for classes - they are about $525 with a discounted amount of $375+-.  I'm just watching the free videos available - just click on the Lectures button.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 11:24pm

Daniel, I wonder what permaculture has to say about wet soils such as you have. Well, another search is on. See you later. 

 

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