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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
What's your gardening style?
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Wild Parsnip - It can burn skin.
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Squirrels.
bees.
Cheap gardening.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

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Insectary

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo 7 hours ago. 5 Replies

Bunga Bakawali or Tan Hua (Epiphyllum oxypetallum)

Started by Sentient Biped. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 21. 13 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 21. 7 Replies

Compost

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Sentient Biped Sep 20. 4 Replies

"Healthy Soil Microbes / Healthy People"

Started by Sentient Biped. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 20. 26 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 27. 2 Replies

Sugar Baby

Started by Don. Last reply by Don Aug 24. 11 Replies

Evans Bali cherry

Started by Don. Last reply by Don Aug 24. 4 Replies

Asparagus

Started by Čenek Sekavec. Last reply by Idaho Spud Aug 23. 4 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on April 20, 2014 at 9:28am

Yes, Joan, there are a lot of superstitions about gardening (and most things).  I'm sure I still have some, but I think I'm doing a reasonable job of getting rid of them one by one.  

There are a lot of things I don't know for sure, so I go along with the most reasonable ideas I can find, but don't dogmatically say they are correct or incorrect until I can find good evidence to support or dismiss them.

Those two watermelon varieties are both short season. Blacktail Mountain is 70 days, and Cream of Saskatchewan (an Heirloom) is 80 days.

The assistant extension agent plants nothing but short season varieties.  He didn't say anything when I said I planted 110 day moon & stars late & got several up to 50 pounds.  He may not have believed me.  I wouldn't have believed it before it happened.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 19, 2014 at 5:02pm

Spud, Your time was well spent at the  2014 Portneuf Valley Environmental Fair. I love to find someone to ask about gardening and finding those who have ideas and principles to follow. There are a lot of superstitions about gardening and I suppose I pass on as many as anyone. However, I have a lifelong love of plants and one can't help but learn with experience. 

Thanks for the names of the watermelon varieties, Blacktail Mountain and Cream of Saskatchewan. 

I forgot and left my grow lights on my violets last night. I don't do that very often, and I am sure your consultant gave the correct information. I do know that candlepower is the thing to watch for. I can't remember now what the overheads are, but I place the plants so they almost touch the lights. I use risers for the plants that are shorter than others, that way they get right up close and personal to the light. On sunny days, I raise the light so the ambient sun reaches them. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 19, 2014 at 4:12pm

I spent 2 hours at the 2014 Portneuf Valley Environmental Fair today (4/19/14), and besides getting some free food, I ask the County Extension Agent about my fruit & vegetable garden.  He had me talk to his assistant who knew more about fruits & vegetables.

I said I knew that some things needed quite a few hours of darkness to produce well, and couldn't find much information about it on the internet.  I ask him what crops would be negatively affected by my porch light and lights I have in my windows to discourage burglars and other nefarious creatures.

He said no plants would be negatively affected.  

He read a study that concluded the light has to be very strong, even stronger than normal street lights before it will bother any plants.

Good news!  Now I don't have to worry about it as much.  There's always the chance that the study wasn't well done, but until I hear something different from a reliable source, I won't worry about it much.

Some things I had read on the internet indicated that even weak light would hurt some plants, so last year (or the year before), I finally turned-off the lights in my windows near my plants, and strung green LED xmas lights under my eves.  I figured all those dim lights would produce a more even light, and not bother the plants near windows that used to have just one stronger light in them.  I also thought that green light may bother plants less because most sources say plants only use red and blue light, not green, at least not as much as the other colors.  Now I will go back to using the regular 40 watt equivalent white LED bulbs in the windows and on the porch.

When I mentioned using red & blue LED grow lights to the extension agent, he said he read another study that found that a combination of less expensive cool white and warm white fluorescent lights did just as good a job as the expensive grow lights.

He also said that grow lights can be left on 16 hours a day, leaving only 8 hours of darkness, and the plants will grow faster.  Eight hours of darkness is enough even for those plants that need a darkness period.

He also grows watermelon and gave me the names of two he was impressed with.  He loves the taste of Blacktail Mountain and said others swear by Cream of Saskatchewan.

When I mentioned mixing lots of sand into my soil for drainage, he said watermelon do well in any soil, even poor.

I have a hard time believing they will do as well as they could in soil that is not well drained because other watermelon growers say they need good drainage, plus, I think the instructions on every plant I grow say to plant in well-drained soil.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 19, 2014 at 2:41pm

I think I commented on the Okra flower before, but I want to say again how interesting and beautiful it is.

Comment by Sentient Biped on April 19, 2014 at 12:11pm
Okra plant I started in Dec and have been growing under lights. It's not the massive okra plants you would get growing it in Alabama. Still kind of fun.

Meanwhile I've started seeds to plant outdoors for my 2014 okra experiment. Once I get it set up, they will be in poly tunnel for warmth and heat, at least until the weather is very warm.

Comment by Sentient Biped on April 19, 2014 at 10:41am

Joan, the ladder garden is very nice.  The stair rails, or whatever they are called, can be bought at a home improvement store.  Probably not expensive.  The plant boxes are also easy to buy or make.  I could see doing that, especially as I become more limited.  Very nice.

Comment by Sentient Biped on April 19, 2014 at 10:34am

History of honeybees.  I thought this was interesting reading.

The change in gardener and general public attitudes from insects as enemies to insects as necessary an beneficial, is not there yet.   I go to the garden section and see a big row of 'cide after 'cide, all lined up to wreak havoc.  Sd.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 19, 2014 at 10:23am

Joan, I've not before heard of Orach or Mizuna.

I said ISU, but it looks like, as you wrote, it's now called U of I.  When I went there many years ago it was called Idaho State College.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 19, 2014 at 10:06am

Spud, great article from U of I, an excellent source of information.I have never heard of orach. 

Orach

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 19, 2014 at 9:48am

I've never grown anything in the window to season food with, but I just read this article from the ISU: "Growing Food on Your Windowsill – Microgreens & Babyleaf Greens", and I think I'll try it.

I was surprised to learn that there are over 100 plants that can be grown for greens.  Some are beets (yum), cabbage, kale, mustard, arugula, onion, radish, amaranth, orach, mizuna, cucumber, squash, and carrot greens:

http://extension.uidaho.edu/bannock/files/2013/11/Hort_News_Feb-201...

 

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