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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Squirrels.
bees.
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

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Permaculture, Bill Mollison

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Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

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Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

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Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Nov 3. 2 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 2. 4 Replies

A texas garden I never thought I would see!

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 30. 4 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 10 Replies

What the heck is hugelkultur? How does it save water?

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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 28, 2014 at 10:29pm

I have been using Gardens Alive for many years and find it does the job it claims to do. If you don't want to use this product, find the ingredient that does the job and see if you can find it locally or through another source. In this case, the ingredient is Bt, a naturally occurring bacterium for insect control. I especially like it because it doesn't harm birds, worms, bees, and ladybugs when used as directed. 

I use ladybugs and lacewings for insect control, especially aphids and red spider mites and I have a worm farm. So I don't want to harm them. 

I hope this works for you. 


Green Step II™ Caterpillar Control

"Controls worms and caterpillars on fruits, vegetables, ornamentals and shade trees."

"Gardens Alive!® has been offering Bt, a naturally occurring bacterium for insect control, since 1984. Recommended for Imported Cabbageworm and Cabbage Looper, Green Step must be eaten to be effective. After ingesting the insecticide, worms and caterpillars immediately stop feeding, though they may otherwise appear to be unaffected for several days. Best results are obtained by treatments when worms are actively feeding on treated, exposed foliage. 

  • Kills worms and caterpillar-stage insects, but has no effect on birds, earthworms or beneficial insects, such as honeybees and ladybugs, when used as directed.
  • Worms and caterpillars eat treated foliage, then stop damaging plants.
  • Acceptable for use on edible plants up to the day of harvest.
Apply Green Step when worms or caterpillars are first noticed, then repeat every 5-7 days while active. Apply more frequently for heavy infestations. 


This item ships at the proper planting time for your region in both spring and fall. 

If the current shipping season is closed, your order will ship at the proper planting time in the next season. 
Comment by Daniel W on June 28, 2014 at 3:57pm

Spud, I like bumblebees too.  

When I bought the 2 acres in Battleground, bee forage became a big issue for me.  Each year I add more bee forage plants.  I've bought a few pounds of white clover seeds, and whenever i clean up molehills, I sprinkle clover seed on the disturbed soil.  That, combined with natural spread, has made what I think is a beautiful lawn, not pure green carpet but filled with clover flowers.

I also try new bee forage plants each year.  They really love onion-relatives, like Alliums, and Chinese chives, and shallots.  Last year I did not eat the shallots we grew, because the bees loved the flowers so much.  I replanted all of them to let them bloom.

I also planted a lot of borage seed, and a plant called "bee friend".  The bumblebees are on those constantly.  They also love agastache.  The butterfly bushes I planted  - Buddleia - get foraged by bumblelees, but not honeybees.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 28, 2014 at 3:42pm

Thanks Daniel.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 28, 2014 at 3:41pm

Randall, after I said sorry, I noticed your melons are doing great this year.  With all the flowers in your area, I imagine the bees will do a good job.  

I still don't know where the bees and bumbles come from here in the city, with mostly grass everywhere, but they do come.  

I don't know why but I'm especially fond of the bumble bees.

Comment by Daniel W on June 28, 2014 at 12:53pm

Spud, I really like your melon hills.  They are like a work of art.  Please keep us posted on your progress.

I imagine the black fabric does give beneficial warming, plus the fact they are in hills.  Very creative.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 28, 2014 at 12:41pm

Here's the same melons showing the hills I planted them on:

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 28, 2014 at 12:37pm

Joan, that article had some good ideas.  

The 5 new soaker hoses I bought last year, all came with those little plastic pressure regulators in them, but I removed them because I was doing a lot of watering from rain barrels with a pump that doesn't put-out much pressure, so I wanted as little resistance to the water flow as possible.

It took hours to water that way, so this year I will only use the pump for rain water.  If the dryness continues, I may not get much.

Last year, I filled the barrels with city water and let them sit several days until the chlorine evaporated.  I though my plants might appreciate de-chlorinated water.

However, I've since read that the chlorine is eliminated in the top couple of inches of soil, so the plants aren't affected.  That should save me a lot of unnecessary work.

I still may use the de-chlorinated water for a week or two until the watermelon soil is warm.  I sit the barrels on the south side of the house and the sun heats the water nicely.

Two or 3 people have said my watermelons were probably picked too late last year, because the hollow places inside are what happens when harvested too late.  That would also explain the watery taste.  This year, I'll start trying them earlier.

Here's a birds-eye view of 4 of my watermelon and one muskmelon ready to be watered:

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 28, 2014 at 8:23am

The garden is a great teacher. Randall, Your hunch that it is a pollinator problem sounds very possible. One year I planted a row of seeds and labelled them. When they grew, they were not what I had named them. Seems odd to me because when I majored in horticulture at WSU, one of our freshman classes was seed identification. Dr. Kalin gave us a cup of seeds, an assortment of all kinds. Our task was to identify each seed, plant it and see if we got what we identified. Our grade depended on how well we did correctly distinguishing seeds.  I did very well. 

I look forward to learning of your harvest, especially the ones that hybridized. 

Spud, I just bought new soaker hoses for my raised beds. The old ones are 18 years old with lots of repairs. In fact, when we pull them all out this fall, we'll be able to see just how many patches there are. I also bought those little pressure regulators. I bury all my hoses to keep them from getting the leaves and stems damp, and to get every drop of water into the soil. 

How to build a spot-watering system for berries, bushes, and trees 

Comment by Randall Smith on June 28, 2014 at 7:27am

Joan, I'd forgotten how well melons grow in my compost pile! I think you're on to something. However, this year, the plants seem to be thriving. I suspect it's a pollination problem--few honeybees. Fingers crossed.

I have vines spreading out everywhere. These include melons, squash, and pumpkins. Most are in rows or hills, but some are "volunteers". It'll be like a scavenger hunt this autumn. What's fun is to plant hybrid squash seeds to see what varieties show up. Ah the joys of godless gardening (thanks, Daniel).

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 28, 2014 at 6:25am

"Seven thirty O'clocks". Cute Daniel.  

Sorry about your melons Randall.

Joan, I don't have room either, but I'm trying a muskmelon and 6 kinds of watermelon this year, hoping they don't get in each others way too much.  

Over the last 10 days, I transplanted them all, put black fabric around them for warmth, and put soaker hoses on top of the fabric, but under the melons.  Today, I finish up with I soaker hoses under the last two.  Then I'll hook all the hoses to the water supply with a pressure reducer, so the soaker hoses get only 25 PSI instead of 110, which I've determined blows them out after a few years (I remember Ruth complaining about that).  The lower pressure also just lets them weep instead of making little sprays that wet the leaves (a no-no, especially for watermelon).  

Pictures to follow.  Right now, I'm going out to the garden before the sun fries my brain more than it already is.

 

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