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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Rooftop Gardens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud 10 hours ago. 16 Replies

Stressed Bees

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Patricia Feb 12. 2 Replies

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on May 29, 2013 at 6:18am

Sentient, I'm going to try broccoli this fall or maybe next year.   I don't yet know when to plant it, but I'll try to remember Annie's tip about leaving some to grow more.  I tried that with my cauliflower last year but it didn't work with that.  Does the Chinese chives taste different?

I probably started the Brussels Sprouts too late this spring.  If so, I'll try some this fall.

Those sprouts do have a twist Joan!  Thanks.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 29, 2013 at 1:58am

Annie, I didn't know that about Brussel Sprouts. Good idea

Notice the spiral development of sprouts, much as a pineapple twist. 

Comment by Annie Thomas on May 28, 2013 at 9:11pm

I've tried broccoli a few times, but only had luck once.  It was worth trying again!  My daughter said that it tasted like broccoli, only much better. ;-)  A friend told me to be careful when I cut it and to leave a little floret or two behind.  These will grow into new crowns in a matter of days!  Good luck.  I'm going to try Brussels sprouts in my fall planting, so I'll look forward to Spuds' updates too.

Comment by Daniel W on May 28, 2013 at 7:14pm

Spud, I love Brussels sprouts, but have never grown them.  Please keep us updated!  

I am growing broccoli for the first time this year.  It's looking good so far.  The heads are small - I guess they will grow larger.

Chives are a favorite for me.  They fit with my bee obsession.  Bumblebees and honey bees like them.  Ditto for Chinese chives - white flower, blooms later.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 5:09pm

Thanks for your comments and suggestions Joan.

I've forgotten that Brussels Sprouts had a pretty fractel pattern, but I do find interest and beauty in everything I grow.  

As much as I like the taste of fresh from the garden produce, and with my limited growing space, I don't grow flowers, but my edibles are still beautiful to my eye.  Most of them have pretty flowers also.  A case in point is my chives that are just starting to bloom:

Comment by Daniel W on May 28, 2013 at 4:46pm

I've never grown watermelon either.  Last winter I got over-enthusiastic and ordered seeds of an Idaho variety - Blacktail Mountain -  that is claimed to do well in short cool summer areas.  Similar for a Minnesota cantaloupe - small melon, plant can be grown in containers ("Minnesota Midget") .  Just need to prepare a place to plant them....  At some point, I'll be done building raised beds and can relax more.  The "big plan" is for 2 or 3 more raised beds then I'm done with infrastructure.

For mildew and aphids both, I've had good success with neem oil.   It works great on roses and grapes, any way.

Spud the container is a great concept!  Will have to give it a try.

Annie, great concept with the Okra.  I do like in in a soup or stew or fried....   A couple of other varieties are listed in Seed Savers as tolerant of cool short summers.  The package states ready in 50 to 64 days.  If it takes 50% or 70% longer, I might still get some.  Never know without trying!  Similar for the cantaloupe, 60-75 days, developed for Northern gardening.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 4:15pm

I know the problem. Spray with chemicals, or milk, of olive oil, or whatever, and chewers, suckers, and mildew and virus keep coming back. My treatment is to shower the troubled areas every morning, washing off as many or as much as you can.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 3:26pm

Spud, sand helps to drain water away from the roots. If you create a little mound of garden soil, toss on a bucket of sand, course or medium, with a small canal all the way around the mound so you can soak water into the base, you should have fewer problems with mildew, critters, and will not overwater. 

I can't grow cantaloupe or watermelon at my place 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 3:01pm

Spud, you will really enjoy growing Brussel sprouts. They are so pretty, they form a perfect fractal growth pattern, taste delicious, especially with a little butter and garlic. The problem is those little devils, aphids! I used spray of water with a hose every morning technique instead of chemicals. The plants stand up in a row like sunning meerkats, waiting for their morning shower. They love side-dressings of steer manure; they just soak up all those nutrients.  

Please keep us up to date on their development.

Your demonstration of potting containers is a tremendous idea. Less trauma to roots on transplant, and an easy way to get them released from the pot. Thanks.

Comment by Annie Thomas on May 28, 2013 at 1:18pm

Idaho- I love the potting idea you shared.  I'm in north central Florida, so I sow seeds right into the ground in late February.  When I build raised beds, I make them the same size as actual beds (usually full or queen).  This allows me to easily cover the beds with fitted sheets if a frost hits.The first time I did this was by accident, but it has worked out nicely for me.

Sentient- I'm growing Clemson too.  It's what they had at the feed store.

As far as enjoying okra- I used to only like it breaded and fried.  I don't like the texture when it's added to soups.  Just recently, I started tossing whole okra in a bit of olive oil, then adding a bit of salt and pepper.  I lay them on a cookie sheet and bake in a 400 degree oven for about 30-40 minutes, turning throughout the cook time.  My family really enjoys them this way in place of French fries! 

Well, the powdery mildew is back on my crook-necked squash.  I have sprayed it with a mixture of 10% milk in water and it cleared up for about a week.  It looks pretty bad and I'm not sure what to try next. 


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