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Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Living in the forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud yesterday. 6 Replies

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Idaho Spud on Monday. 17 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W May 2. 2 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 2. 1 Reply

Rooftop Gardens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 3. 20 Replies

How to Make a Food Forest Suburb

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 1. 1 Reply

Fantastic Fungi - a film by Louie Schwartzberg

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 28. 1 Reply

Michael Pollan On Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Mar 22. 1 Reply

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 30, 2013 at 3:01pm

As to urine in the garden. My Dad peed in the garden and its rank smell, just as sometimes cat pee smells terrible. It does soak in, but I don't like it. I pull a vegetable, bring it to the house, and the kitchen gets the anointed plant aroma.  Not my idea of a garden being a pleasure to everyone. A little common sense would help. 

I visited a tavern in Belgium, owned by generations of my ancestors. The urinal was out back of the brick building. Centuries of urine sanctification, soaked into the brick, smelled of raw sewage. The first row of vegetables was broccoli, and they were magnificent! It appears these brassicas were on hallowed ground. I must confess, cooked with butter and salt, served, they tasted delicious ... no remnant of bodily fluid smells. I don't remember an outhouse. There must have been one for the ladies and for men doing their other elimination process. 

Honey pots in Asia appeared on the streets hanging from poles across their shoulders; in the fields people dipped into the pot and, if I remember correctly, sprayed it over the vegetables. Please correct me if I remember incorrectly. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 30, 2013 at 10:30am

Salt has been discussed as a potential negative.  Some articles recommend not using "liquid gold" in clay soils, and diluting it various strong.  A California doctor uses his urine for plant food, and adjusted his diet to reduce salt.  Which is the healthy thing to do.

Googling on the topic -I had no idea so many people were doing that.   Amazing.

I  have a ginkgo tree in the space my dogs use in the back yard.  It's several times larger than it's sibling in the front yard.  I'm sure it's the doggies' contributions.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 30, 2013 at 8:09am

Since I live "in the country", I can pee in the garden anytime I want. It's usually because I'm too lazy to go into the house. But, scientifically speaking, I've done in the compost pile to add nitrogen. And I've done it around my sweet corn patch in an attempt to "scare off" raccoons (that doesn't work). I've also done it to kill weeds (salt)! Bottom line? I just do it because I can!

Comment by Plinius on November 30, 2013 at 12:34am

No plans to use urine yet - I can manage with the bokashi.

Comment by Daniel W on November 29, 2013 at 12:42pm

Amsterdam's plan for the future: Human urine to fertilize roof gardens."collecting pee from public urinals in order to fertilize roofs of buildings that are covered with vegetation. These appropriately-named “green roofs” generally serve to absorb excess stormwater, which can be one of the biggest sources of excess runoff in a metropolitan area."

It's kind of an awkward topic to discuss.  i speculate that's due to people thinking (1) it's gross (2) Concerns for infection (3) Concerns for odor and (4) some people are too enthusiastic about this topic.

Over the years I've seen human urine discussed in multiple on line discussion boards.  Some collect it as a deer and rabbit deterrent.  Others fertilize their gardens or add it as a nitrogen source for compost.

Potential concerns -

Infection - I don't think this is any more of an issue than having dogs, cats, birds urinate outdoors. 

Smell - ditto. 

Toxic substances such as medications - I don't know what to think about that.  It's claimed that fish are already affected by, and contain, human medications that persist through treatment plants.  Estrogens, caffeine, prozac.

Some people - men, mostly - might be too anxious to display what should not be displayed, with the idea of "environmentally friendly" as their excuse.

Still it's an interesting development, that a city is open to using this resource, a source of phosphates and nitrogen for plants.  From the link, Sweden and China already collect urine for fertilizer.  Interesting thought:  " a single person's urine would be enough to fertilize up to one tenth of an acre of vegetables for an entire year."  also "cabbages fertilized with human urine were larger at harvest, grew to their maximum size more quickly, and suffered less insect damage than cabbages grown with conventional fertilizers"

Comment by Randall Smith on November 29, 2013 at 7:56am

I threw my picked strawberries in a plastic sack last June and put them in the freezer. When retrieved for use, I run them in water, de-stem, then nuke 'em to thaw. Works for me!

Comment by k.h. ky on November 28, 2013 at 9:44pm

Mine being a xmas cactus that is.  And this is the wrong time of year but I found out last summer that if I refrigate berries before I  wash them they handle much easier.  They also don't stain as bad and don't get mushy. It only took me four decades to learn that.  I wanted to pass it on while it was on my mind. 

Comment by k.h. ky on November 28, 2013 at 9:37pm

Mine started off with beautiful blooms but then the temps came up and it's stopped.  It was lovely while it lasted though.

Comment by Daniel W on November 28, 2013 at 8:58pm

In Bloom now.  These make me happy.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 21, 2013 at 5:05pm

I am going to be very careful about mycelium in my garden. I had planned to put some under my conifers. I think I will contact the WSU extension agent and have a heart to heart talk with him/her 


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