Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo on Sunday. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Nov 3. 2 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 2. 4 Replies

A texas garden I never thought I would see!

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 30. 4 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 10 Replies

What the heck is hugelkultur? How does it save water?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 8 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on August 4, 2013 at 6:33pm

This lovely bee and flower came from John Caddy today: 


Comment by Daniel W on August 3, 2013 at 9:35pm

Spud, awesome ID on the caterpillar! 

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 3, 2013 at 5:07pm

After further investigation, I'm sure it's a Western Tiger Swallowtail caterpillar, Idaho variety.  http://www.raisingbutterflies.org/larva-to-pupa/larva-changes-color...  

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 3, 2013 at 4:36pm

After searching another hour, it appears to be a Canadian Tiger Swallowtail caterpillar.  They are green, but turn brown just before pupating.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 3, 2013 at 3:46pm

Can anyone tell me what kind of caterpillar this is?  I've looked through 25 pages of google images so far and haven't found it.

It's 2 inches long and came crawling out of the raspberries today.  There are also blackberries in there, as well as strawberries, grapes, and a couple of herbs.

Comment by Daniel W on August 3, 2013 at 11:04am

Joan, I don't know if this story is apocryphal....  According to this website, the west coast owes credit or blame, for both the Himalayan blackberry and its name, to Luther Burbank.   Also discussed here.  According to the website he had exchanged seeds with someone from India, and that was the source of the plant and the name.

Comment by Daniel W on August 3, 2013 at 10:36am

Spud, I hope that works for you.  The reflective bubble wrap cut back my watering by half, on the hottest days.  A lot less wilting.

Randall, to me that's not just neglect, it's vandalism.  The sprayer knows damn well what direction the wind is blowing.  If you were blowing off fireworks rockets in the direction of a neighbor's house, and one landed on the roof and burned the house down, I imagine you would be arrested for arson.  To me, this is similar.

But, with the disdain in big ag for organic growing, and the lack of legal protections against big ag pollution, I would be interested in seeing the results of lawsuit.

I worry about neighbors spraying their plants with insecticides and killing bees intentional or as peripheral damage.  I'm trying to be proactive by telling people I will give them honey when it is ready.  And talking about the importance of native pollinators.

Meanwhile, now and then I give away some of our home raised eggs.  Similar reasons.

Comment by Plinius on August 3, 2013 at 10:21am

Horrible, I'd be upset and angry too!

Comment by Randall Smith on August 3, 2013 at 8:37am

Just returned from helping my daughter set up at the local farmers     market. Her husband (with help) goes to two more (Indy)--Sat. morn. I walked around checking out other stands, specifically looking for brocolli. Nary a head! The reason for seeking broc and cauliflower is "competition". See, my kids got their field sprayed with a fungicide from wind drift by a crop duster spraying an adjacent corn field. They are in the process of testing veggies before taking them to market. But that takes a long time! If contamination is apparent, they will sue. I'll keep you all informed. Obviously, they are very upset and angry.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 2, 2013 at 4:39pm

Sentient, I was just on your site and love how you insulate your black plant containers with the reflective mylar covered bubble wrap to keep them from drying out too fast.  I'm going to use it the next time.

Much better than what I thought of.  Last year, when I used black containers, I just covered them with white masking tape, which only worked partially.  I finally put them in hard foam coolers I got from the $1 store.

This year, I used white translucent plastic garbage containers from the $1 store and they let the sun in too much, so I covered them with aluminum foil, held on with aluminum tape.  That keeps the sun out, but doesn't insulate much from the hot air on the days when the temperature approaches 100.

Funny thing is, I have a roll of that reflective bubble wrap and never thought of it.  I was going to use it on my ceiling when I put 4 100-watt incandescent lamps in each fixture.  They were discoloring the ceiling from the heat.  Went to fluorescent lamps before I used it.

I thought it was interesting that you bought it to cool the roof of your bee hive.


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