Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
What's your gardening style?
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Wild Parsnip - It can burn skin.
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Sentient Biped Sep 7. 4 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 27. 2 Replies

Sugar Baby

Started by Don. Last reply by Don Aug 24. 11 Replies

Evans Bali cherry

Started by Don. Last reply by Don Aug 24. 4 Replies


Started by Čenek Sekavec. Last reply by Idaho Spud Aug 23. 4 Replies

Some pictures from my garden

Started by Steph S.. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 26. 7 Replies

The Next Green Revolution May Rely on Microbes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Sentient Biped Jun 30. 2 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 17, 2013 at 5:52pm

Prehistoric extinctions (beginning of the Holocene to 1500 AD)


(Holocene began 10,000 years ago at the end of the Pleistocene)

American Cheetahs, American Lion, American Mastodon, American Mountain Deer,

Giant hutia (110 and 440 lb).


Columbian Mammoth

Dire Wolf

Giant Beaver,

Harlan’s Muskox,

Harrington’s Mountain Goat,

armadillos or ‘Holmesina septentrionalis’ ,

North American Jaguar,

Saber-tooth cat,

Scott’s horse “Equus scotti’

Short-faced bear,



Stilt-legged Llama,

Stout-legged Llama,

polar bear ‘Ursus maritimus tyrannus’

Western Horse ‘Equus occidentalis,

Woolly Mammoth 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 17, 2013 at 5:51pm

List of North American animals extinct in the Holocene

Prehistoric extinctions (beginning of the Holocene to 1500 AD)

Notice the extinctions began about 12,000 years ago and the end of the Pleistocene was about 12,000 years ago. 

"About 12,000 years ago, the valleys of western Montana lay beneath a lake nearly 2,000 feet deep. Glacial Lake Missoula formed as the Cordilleran Ice Sheet dammed the Clark Fork River just as it entered Idaho. The rising water behind the glacial dam weakened it until water burst through in a catastrophic flood that raced across Idaho, Oregon, and Washington toward the Pacific Ocean. Thundering waves and chunks of ice tore away soils and mountainsides, deposited giant ripple marks, created the scablands of eastern Washington and carved the Columbia River Gorge. Over the course of centuries, Glacial Lake Missoula filled and emptied in repeated cycles, leaving its story embedded in the land."

Spokane to the coast near Portland was profoundly impacted by these floods. Rocks, soils, huge chunks of glacier wiped away any trace of Pleistocene and early Holocene evidence of life. The flood cut to and through the bedrock. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 17, 2013 at 4:43pm
Randall, You are so wise to have gathered "persimmon trees and seeds came from a tree my grandmother planted 90 years ago". Real treasures. I hope your family realizes what a richness you have saved. The nice thing about plants, sharing does not deplete the giver and renews the receiver!
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 17, 2013 at 4:14pm
I ran across this diary while looking for fossil horses:
"Plowing Up History!

"One year as the Donahoes were plowing their land near where the Steptoe Battlefield site, they plowed up a cannon ball and some old guns, most of which had deteriorated. That’s not all that was plowed up. In 1890 to 1900 there were hills covered with flowers and millions of prairie chickens; however when the farmers plowed up the flowers, they destroyed bird nests. There were thousands of other birds like blackbirds, bob-whites, quails and lots of squirrels. There were also many mink, muskrats and fish until the Smith brothers put in a dam at Pine City. After all the plowing, Leo wrote: "Now there is nothing but wheat."
"A History of the Rosalia Area
Comment by Sentient Biped on November 17, 2013 at 8:20am
Randall, it's fantastic to have a family heirloom fruit tree!

There are some named Varieties of American persimmon - Meader and Golden among others. One of my saplings is supposedly a hybrid Asian/American that is self-fruitful, the other is an Asian persimmon, also supposedly self fruitful. We'll see if I ever get fruit from them. I think the hardest stage us getting them established the first year. We made it through that much!

To have fruit trees you grew from seed - also fantastic! I have some seedling wild plums, a european plum seedling, snd a peach. Whether I will see fuit from those is iffy.
Comment by Randall Smith on November 17, 2013 at 7:49am

Joan: How's my body holding up? Legs!!  Seriously, my back is a little sore this morning, but overall, I'm in great shape. I'm an exercise nut, so that helps.

Daniel: The persimmon trees and seeds came from a tree my grandmother planted 90 years ago. It was struck by lightning about 3 years ago and is now gone. Luckily, and with foresight, I planted seeds from it that have grown to respectability--2 "females" and 4 "males". So I'm assuming they're called American persimmons. And so delicious! Be patient.

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 16, 2013 at 8:34pm
Randall thanks for showing your persimmon tree! we will see if I get fruit in a few years! You must wait for them to fall to ground. Are they a named variety?
Comment by Sentient Biped on November 16, 2013 at 8:32pm
plus... I lve learning. that kind of history! It is part of the story of the Columbisn exchange - when separate diverse ecosystems became part of a global ecosystem.
Maybe the horses did so well partly because they wete a missing part of the ecology. Long before, were there horses or other large herbivores that were wiped out by hunter gatherers?
Comment by Sentient Biped on November 16, 2013 at 8:25pm
Joan what a beautiful area!
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 16, 2013 at 12:28pm
Rndall, your harvest sounds delicious and beautiful. Autumn chores getting ready for the long winter is one of my favorite seasons. You know how to care for your garden and produce; pickled beets taste so good. The smells, both indoors and out awaken deep feelings. How is your body holding up?

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