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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 173
Latest Activity: 18 hours ago

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Living in the forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 27. 6 Replies

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 25. 17 Replies

Air-pots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W May 2. 2 Replies

Air-pots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 2. 1 Reply

Rooftop Gardens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 3. 20 Replies

How to Make a Food Forest Suburb

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 1. 1 Reply

Fantastic Fungi - a film by Louie Schwartzberg

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 28. 1 Reply

Michael Pollan On Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Mar 22. 1 Reply

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 17, 2014 at 4:19pm

Barbara, you are on your way. Now, get some good literature for how to SAVE the bees, butterflies, hummingbirds, lady bugs and green lacewings. 

I would tell her all the things that are missing from our gardens because of human activity, and all the alternatives to insecticides that are so easily available. And they work night and day. 

I have looked an looked for an aphid and can find none. Diatomaceous earth takes care of my slugs and snails, although I am not sure they would work in Daniel's garden in SE Washington state. 

What I need is anti fungus, organic. Anyone found anything that works. I have lost so many things to fungus, so I do no overhead watering, all my soaker hoses are buried under soil, I have timers that go off for only as much water as they need, and I am trying to pull out all the weeds that grew during my hear off playing with cancer chemicals. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 17, 2014 at 3:59pm

King, do they have strict immigration requirements?  

Comment by king on June 17, 2014 at 3:55pm
To live I don't like the way the US is going I did a school project on new zealand in high school and I have love it ever since
Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 17, 2014 at 3:53pm

To work King?

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 17, 2014 at 3:52pm

Ahh. Okay, so you do understand my dismay at seeing it. I have seen ONE honeybee in my yard in the past few months. It's probably dead by now. I have ONE hummingbird who comes to my feeder.  I have seen may TEN butterflies in the past 4 months. I realize it will take time and much more planting on my part to attract everything, but, was saddened to think person on other side of fence could be defeating my efforts. I recommended DE and gave her info sheet, not sure if it will help. There is an organic gardening group of Tx and I joined. Also nation organic growers organization. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 17, 2014 at 3:50pm

king! How exciting! May I ask what motivates you to move to New Zealand? I would just love to live there. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 17, 2014 at 3:43pm

Oh, I should have directed you to the membership list of Godless in the Garden. Steph, in Austin, is listed there, as is Sandi, in Seguin, txcrickett Brenham, TX, Tony Carroll Palestine, TX, Joe Zamecki Austin, TX, Tracy B Amarillo, TX, John Manfred Austin, TX, Alma Houston.

Now, as to what to do or say, If it were me, I would express concern for her safety with all that chemical, and offer some ideas of how she could meet the challenges presented by disease and pests. That will take a little homework, by talking to others who are interested in growing healthy plants.

I would definitely want her to know the risks and the options, and then the rest is up to her. 

The reason I don't use Sevin is because it kills the lady bugs and lacewings that I bring into my garden. It is also lethal to bees.

There is controversy over the use of Sevin. It is reported, but not by scientific research: 

  • It causes birth defects in mammals, espescially dogs.
  • It worsens the condition ofpeople with hypertension and people who are taking anti-depressant drugs.
  • It impairs the function of the petuitary gland, the thyroid gland, and the reproductive system.
  • It causes hyperactivity and learning disabilities in mammals.
  • It could increase the chance of heart attack in people with weak hearts.
  • The main break-down product, nitrosocarbaryl, which is easily created in the human gut, is a potent cancer-causing agent.
  • It causes irreversible chromosomal damage to human DNA (the genes in our cells).(5)

Research summary: 

Hazard Summary

  • Carbaryl can affect you when inhaled in and by passing through your skin.
  • Carbaryl may cause mutations and may be a teratogen.
  • Exposure can cause cabamate poisoning with burred vision, sweating, nausea and vomiting, abdominal pain, fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema), and death.
  • Contact can irritate the skin, causing a rash.
  • Repeated exposures may affect the kidneys and nervous system.


 

Comment by king on June 17, 2014 at 3:22pm
So this has little to do with gardening but after college I am moving to new zealand
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 17, 2014 at 3:12pm

Barbara, when I lived at Wm Beaumont Army Medical Center housing in El Paso and Darnall Army Medical Center at Ft. Hood housing in Killeen, I couldn't get a decent crop of corn without Sevin. I don't remember using it on tomatoes, but I may have. I have never lived in places that required as much insecticides and fungicides as in Texas. I don't know how one would garden organically there. Perhaps there are techniques now that we didn't have then. I certainly wasn't an organic gardener in those days, 

The bases had regular trucks coming around and spraying for all kinds of pests and diseases. They probably killed all the beneficial insects. Perhaps off-base, there would be friendlier environments for organically grown gardens. 

If I still lived there, I would seek out some good organic gardeners and stores that specialized in organics. Also, I would talk to garden club members in the community and pick their brains.

One source for you might be  Steph S. She is an avid gardener and a good friend on Godless in the Garden 

http://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/StephS?xg_source=activity

or 

http://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/StephS

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 17, 2014 at 2:46pm

king, sadly, taking out the weed root just below the surface will probably not get rid of the weed. The whole root needs to come out and that can be a real challenge. The best tool I found is the root feeding tool. Hook it to my hose, push the tube in beside the weed as deeply as I think the root goes, turn the water slowly and let the water run until the root has loosened from the soil. I then just have to lift it out of the ground, root and all. Now, if you could find a way to hook that up to a robot, with remote control, we could just sit and push buttons and watch the magic happen.

 

 

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