Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1, 2014. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16, 2014. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8, 2014. 21 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on May 6, 2014 at 10:54pm

Today I planted in containers-

Roma beans

Scallop squash

Green bush zucchini and yellow summer squash

A bush cucumber variety

Butternut squash.

sweet corn.

Never grew sweet corn here.  Summer too short and nights too cool.  It's an experiment, maybe planting a few seeds in containers will speed them up.

Okras growing nicely in cotainers.  I'm amazed.

Comment by Daniel W on May 6, 2014 at 10:51pm

Barbara, welcome! 

We are both Zone 8, but so very different!

I've known people who grew figs in Texas.  As I recall, there are some Texas-specific varieties. 

I always wanted to grow opuntia for either napoles, or just to have cactus flowers.   But its so wet here, the cacti rot.  One year I got some to bloom.  Very pretty.  Then that winter there was a hard freeze and they died.

The smart pots sound like a great idea.  Even is Western Washington, the summer is dry, so container plants van be baked and require attention.

Last year I grew a lot of fig trees in containers to give away.  I went to home depot and bought an insulating wrap, not sure what it's really for, maybe water heater.  It's like a bubble wrap, sandwiched between shiny foil-like mylar.  I wrapped each container in the shiny insulating wrap.  By my measurements, it kept the soil cooler by 15 degrees.

I imagine sedums and sempervivums would do OK there.  Some sedums have nice flowers, and honeybees love them.

Wow, crazy ants! 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 6, 2014 at 9:06pm

Hi All, I new this sight and enjoy reading your comments.  

I'm from very hot and dry south Texas, zone 8. I guess the weather controls our planting, and success also.  I am growing only flowers this year and am trying my hand using seeds.  We went from cold winter to hot summer in a matter of weeks so my little seedlings are struggling. After cooking everything on my patio last year I switched this year to 'smart pots' and sub-irrigation for all my plants that are not in the ground.   Everything I planted is drought/heat/sun tolerant, but we do have to get them started.  How successful it will be is yet to be determined.

I was fascinated with the conversations on grafting.  I've never tried it.  This is my first year of growing completely organic and am using a few ideas passed along by a friend to discourage the ants - molasses.  Doesn't kill them, just sends them to someplace else.  We have fire ants, and I now have what they call 'crazy ants'.  Little black buggers that go 90 mph in different directions, and bite just as bad as the fire ants. 

Because we are already under water restrictions and it looks like they will soon be stepping it up to the next level I'm hoping everything takes hold soon.  I certainly wish I had some of the water that is in abundance in WA.  :)

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 6, 2014 at 8:57pm

By the way, there are two way I have grown beets, carrots, radishes, etc. I make a furrow about 1/2" to 1" deep,  with a string for straight lines. Sow the seeds in the furrow, cover with soil and tap lightly to get a firm touch of seed to soil. Water gently so you do not wash out the seeds. Plant deeply enough so the birds don't eat them. Don't be surprised if cats come along and dig their little potty holes creating interesting crocked rows. It becomes a comedy feature of a garden. Besides, one doesn't want perfection in a garden. Perfectly imperfect is the goal. 

The other way is to select a patch of ground, no more than 4' across and sow seeds by scattering them in well prepared soil. Toss on a layer of soil on top, just enough to keep the birds from eating them, water gently, and as they grow, thin out and enjoy the very young ones in salads, and when vegetable gets bigger, there will be room for them to mature. Keep in mind the  diameter size of the mature plant when thinning. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 6, 2014 at 8:46pm

I am in Sunset gardening zone 2B 

I am in USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map

Zone 6a : -10 to -5 (F)

To find Sunset plant zone map go to: 


To find USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map


Go to maps, type in your zip code in the designated place and it will give you your hardiness zone. 

The difference between the two systems is Sunset takes in more factors in determining the hardiness zone. 

To find out what is recommended for doing now, go to Sunset Magazine online and select Garden, then go to month you desire. You don't need to subscribe. 

What to do in your garden in May


I haven't put in seeds yet, ground needs to be warm enough and dry enough or the seeds will rot. I don't start outdoor seeds until mid-May and don't set out tender seedlings until after June 1. I have had killing frosts June 16. See Starting Spring Crops from Seed on this site. 

Comment by king on May 6, 2014 at 4:52pm
I was wondering if anybody has direct sowed any yet and if so are they up
Comment by Joan Denoo on May 6, 2014 at 4:43pm

What about "sow carrots"? Do you want to know how to do it? or When? or in what soil? or moisture needs? or sun needs? 

Comment by k.h. ky on May 6, 2014 at 2:54pm
King, you can't give the stuff away around here.
Well, youccan but people really don't like to tramp through anothers garden.
Comment by Idaho Spud on May 6, 2014 at 2:49pm

I'm a little concerned about thieves, but so far no problems.  I do have a fence around my property and keep the gate locked most of the time, so that probably helps.

Comment by king on May 6, 2014 at 2:38pm
The town where I grew up if ur garden could be seen u got robbed of any ripe crops

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