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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
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Latest Activity: 14 hours ago

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Living in the forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 27. 6 Replies

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 25. 17 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W May 2. 2 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 2. 1 Reply

Rooftop Gardens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 3. 20 Replies

How to Make a Food Forest Suburb

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 1. 1 Reply

Fantastic Fungi - a film by Louie Schwartzberg

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 28. 1 Reply

Michael Pollan On Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Mar 22. 1 Reply

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Comment by Chad Kreutzer on September 23, 2013 at 2:48pm

I'm not sure. I'll have to check out the ones you listed. I need to find out what works best in Colorado.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 23, 2013 at 7:33am

Sentient, shelless escargot sounds delicious.  

Drank the last of my broccoli smoothie yesterday.  Added a little more margarine, which boosted the taste from good to very good.  I also purchased some more broccoli so I can make some more.

Comment by Daniel W on September 22, 2013 at 8:33pm

Caught! If only the camera shot out lethal laser beams.

Instead of crouching tiger hidden dragon it's crouching hidden rabbit.

Comment by Daniel W on September 22, 2013 at 8:31pm

Snuggled under the Zucchini plant. If I wasn't vegetarian, I might bread it and fry it. Escargot without the shell.

Comment by Daniel W on September 22, 2013 at 4:13pm

Chad, thanks!  I have a big sense of wonder.  Sometimes I pull out a lawn chair and just ponder the vegetable beds, or flowers, or bees.

Any idea what flowers you will plant?  The bees are the major reason I added a crabapple and a sourwood tree this fall.  The flowers I saw the most bee activity on, this year, were ceanothus ("california lilac"), oregano, caryopteris ("bluebeard"), agastache ("anise hyssop") maple, hawthorn, and blackberry.  I let my shallots bloom, and the bees were all over those for weeks.  Probably meant less shallot production, but that's OK.   I imagine different areas will have different bee activity.

Comment by Chad Kreutzer on September 22, 2013 at 3:41pm
Sentient, that romantic way of looking at things really appeals to me (and they say we atheists have no sense of wonder.) I've been planning on preparing a bed for the spring vegetable planting, but since watching that TED talk on bees I really want to plant some flowers this fall.
Comment by Daniel W on September 22, 2013 at 3:36pm

Oh -

Patricia, this was the first time I've grown melons.  I planted seeds in containers in late spring, and put them in the onion / garlic bed after harvesting those in June.

I planted 3 seeds of each type and let them all grow.  There were the cantaloupes, a watermelon called "Blacktail Mountain" developed in Idaho, and a small yellow watermelon.

I should plant them earlier next year.  The watermelons didn't do much, but one of the Blacktail Mountain melons is a few pounds and looks like it's almost ripe.  The cantaloupes have several more on the plants.  Lesson for next year, is to plant a few more plants.  Maybe a half dozen. or so.  And earlier, maybe with cloches.

Comment by Daniel W on September 22, 2013 at 3:32pm

Joan, thanks for posting the daffodil picture.  Something to look forward to.

I like to plant in fall and winter when I can.  It's kind of like putting a pie in the oven.  During the rainy and cold season, the plants are "baking" in the sense they are growing roots and in some cases growing leaves  - some bulbs - and the buds are gearing up their anatomy for flowers and leaves, to arrive in Spring.  So winter is not just about dormancy, it's about a different kind of gardening.

Planted more bulbs this weekend, with that idea in mind.  Also the multiplier onions.  Some, planted a week ago, are showing new growth.  Also radish seeds and cilantro seeds.  But I don't know if those will produce anything before frost.

Spud, maybe I'll ask for a Braun for Xmas present.  It would be safer for hot stuff, than what I'm using. 

Patricia, it's so great to have neighbors to share with.  I also have some wastage of some things, but would like to have some others home grown / organic.    None of my neighbors garden.  I've taken over fresh eggs, figs, apples, rhubarb.  But it feels kind of one sided.

Ruth, your violet adventure is interesting.  They must be very well adapted to your garden bed.   I intentionally planted violets, bringing some from my parents' midwestern yard.  They grew much bigger than the local ones, nice blue, but slugs ate them all.  The local ones are slower growing, and smaller, but slugs don't eat them.  I wanted them as a simple ground cover in the rose bed.  They are pretty good for that.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 22, 2013 at 12:20pm

Joan, I liked the dancing with the daffodils picture, and saved it.  Sometimes it feels like I dance with my plants.

I didn't know violets were that invasive, but I've never grown them.  My peppermint is the only invasive thing I've got, but it's not too bad so far.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 22, 2013 at 12:13pm

Patricia, congratulation on the 5 melons.   I used to share the cherries from my 4 trees with the neighbors until the fruit flies found them.  Almost no one wants to eat cherries with fruit fly maggots in them!

If my watermelons taste good, I may share some with neighbors if any act interested.  So far, only the mailman and a few people that walk or drive down the alley have shown interested in them.

I have 3 Moon & Stars now, from 3 to 20 pounds, and 2 Sugar Babies, from 0.5 to 2 pounds.  Two or three weeks ago the Moon & Stars vines started growing about 6 more.  I cut 5 off so it would hopefully put more energy into the 2 large ones, and also because it's doubtful they would have ripened with the cold weather.  

I didn't have the heart to cut the first one off (it's now 3 pounds), so I'll see how it does.  The weather has been getting colder for about 3 weeks now, but no frost yet.  The coldest temperature so far was 38 F a few days ago.


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