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Comment by A Former Member on May 13, 2012 at 5:47pm

Cousin of "bat boy" would be the most believeable rumor about him, compared to what the right has claimed.

Comment by Sentient Biped on May 13, 2012 at 5:40pm

DG, looking at history, Clinton was often said to be the first Black president.  That was because he apparently had a sensitivity for African American issues not seen by prior presidents, and was very supported by the African American community.  I'm not sure about the whole reason for that.  I suspect this Newsweek cover harkens to that.  The pic is directly via URL, not my copy, but from the Joe.my.god blog.   I don't think this is supposed to suggest that Obama is really gay, but Im sure it will be taken that way  by some opportunists.  If you google on it, there were rumors from way back about state representative Obama frequenting a Chicago gay bathhouse, then evidence of his (and Rahm Emmanuel's) membership being destroyed.  I suspect that whole thing was manufactured as a smear campaign, and was never taken seriously by the press.  The whole thing had the flavor of conspiracy theory.  There was also innuendo that Obama was involved in the murder of his supposed gay lover.  If you believe that.....  well, maybe he's also a space alien and cousin of "bat boy" from the old World Weekly News (he does sort of have the ears).

Comment by A Former Member on May 13, 2012 at 5:26pm

Real or fake?

Comment by Sentient Biped on May 13, 2012 at 5:13pm

Newsweek wants some readers...

Comment by A Former Member on May 13, 2012 at 10:17am

SB, I agree about removing the clit. It seems unneccessary and obviously irreversible. I'd be angry too.

 

All this talk about clitorises and genitals and normal/natural reminds me of the spotted hyena. The females have very large external clitorisis so that they end up looking like males. That's normal for them:

 

Males in most hyena species are larger than females,[19] though the spotted hyena is exceptional, as it is the female of the species that outweighs and dominates the male. Also, unlike other hyenas, the female spotted hyena's external genitalia closely resembles that of the male.[20]

 

Here's a pic:

 

Comment by Sentient Biped on May 13, 2012 at 9:58am

DG I agree it is telling that a schizophrenic person so clearly embodies the homophobic mindset. Almost gives me compassion for Michelle Bachmann.  Almost.

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Also I agree if there are valid medical reasons for a surgery, that needs to be considered.  From my limited reading, most is not for that - removing a clitoris actually is FGM, even if it's an intersex child.  I would be living a life of anger.  Once it's gone, it's gone.  I would not want to think of life without my boy-parts, even if they were unusual.  A generous sized clitoris should not interfere with urination.  Hypospadias can be a hygeine issue so may need correction in some way.  My concern is if most of the surgeries are forced conformity to a rigid gender standard.  It leads me to think psychological injuries may be greater than the cosmetic "benefit", and need to be respected. 

Comment by A Former Member on May 13, 2012 at 9:41am

SB, you're right that people should be able to decide when they get older, but in some of those cases the child may not be able to go to the bathroom correctly without some sort of preemptive surgery.

 

And you're right, society does do bad things to genitals. Think FGM.

Comment by A Former Member on May 13, 2012 at 9:39am

Yes, that had to be the case. There's no way anyone can make those kinds of statements without being somewhat disjointed (if you will) in the brain. Still, it was a funny video. But her frequency at the city council explains why the crowd was so unfazed by her comments.

 

What I find most remarkable though is that so many people had difficulty distinguishing between the remarks of a "crazy person" and those of a conservative. I think that says a lot about the general population's impression of conservatives today.

 

So very Poe-esque.

Comment by Sentient Biped on May 13, 2012 at 9:25am

The "Crazy Nebraska Lady" really was mentally ill.

Comment by Sentient Biped on May 13, 2012 at 8:28am

VeganTiger, thank you for engaging this discussion. I think it is much better to have the people who are most affected by the topic, to describe your experience.  My own thoughts, which are only partially informed, are-

People seem to expect a rigid conformity where nature is more diverse.  Rather than forcing people into that conformity, we should let them decide.

Societies like to do bad things to genitals.  What is done to intersex babies is far, far more than circumcision.  Given the passion around discussions of circumcision, it's hard for me to accept that societies, parents, doctors can't just wait and let the individual decide what they want, as adults.

Even though people may mean well when they do genital surgery, is it really so bad to just let children grow up to become themselves?  Why not let society become re-educated and learn that diversity does not make someone a "freak", but rather provides an alternative way of being? 

People should just accept one another and understand that not everyone feels or thinks the same things, but there is a universality in being human and wanting to love and be loved, and feel passion and connection to others.

 

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