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Gay christians.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Gerald Payne May 13. 2 Replies

Boycotting Indiana

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Per Right Wing Watch, The Nuts Are Really Coming after the Fruits

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Apr 10. 2 Replies

Discrimination by nontheists?

Started by Jacob Dreiling. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Mar 27. 15 Replies

The Lack Of LGBT Atheists

Started by Neon Genesis. Last reply by Grinning Cat Mar 27. 16 Replies

Priviliged Bickering

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Coming out in your teens.

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Comment by Tammy S on August 9, 2012 at 2:28pm

http://imgur.com/a/QITJq#wBE8Y

Saw this over on Diaspora today, had to share.

Comment by Daniel W on August 9, 2012 at 10:14am

Joan, thank you!


The questions about evolution of sexual orientation and race are unanswered but compelling. 

Homo sapiens is the most "successful" species in known history of planet earth, as far as covering the globe, rapid increase in numbers,  and dominating the planet's ecology.  And we did it in a geologically short time - a blink of an eye.  Our physiology, anatomy, intelligence, luck, ability to adapt and diversify, are all factors.  Our sexuality, which is fluid, and strong sex drive, clearly are factors - it's a major part of how we bond, create families, create societies, mix, interact, and diversify.  In other species, "hybrid vigor" creates new, more adaptable, more diversified, more successful plants and animals.  The same must be true for humans.  The societies that prospered and adapted were the ones at crossroads, where people of various origins and types, talents, ways of thinking and ways of being, mixed, and had the ability to diversify.  The USA is one of the most recent, but one of many - merchant societies like Greece, Rome, Egypt, the Aztecs, the Incas, the Mongols, Ottomans, England, Portugal, and Spain in their eras.  A closed society gives us N. Korea and Iran.  In an open and diverse society, the sky's the limit.  That's my amateur historian point of view.  Someone can prove me wrong.

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 8, 2012 at 3:52pm

Well, well, well ... we have the old conflict staring us in the face.

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And But for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix." 

  - Loving v. Virginia, 1967

Or did all homo sapiens evolve in Africa from earlier primates and over eons of time, migrated to the entire Earth, changing according to their environments into different shades of skin, different body builds, different food sources, different beliefs, and different value systems? Do LGBT's exist on each continent? Are there some cultures who value LGBT's? Are there some societies that elevate them to a high plane than heterosexuals. Does being different in these aspects mean differences matter? 
Where is the moral code, the ethical justification for defining people from one color, or sex, or sexual orientation or body style, or food preference, or beliefs, or values as better that those who differ? 

Is there any difference that matters between white, anglo-saxon, and protestant male individuals and individuals who are black, yellow, malay and red or female or LGBT? 

If there is a difference that matters, show me the evidence. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 8, 2012 at 3:27pm

Sentient Biped, as usual you get to the heart of the issue and I repost here:

"I have to keep reminding myself it is not about the personal beliefs of the founder. It's about the fact that some (a lot) of dollars, that go into the cash registers at the chain's stores, go to spread hate and discrimination against human beings who happen to be LGBT. There are few clearer cases of "voting with dollars" to dehumanize people.  Those dollars actually hurt people, when they go to the hate groups.

Sentient Biped

Comment by Daniel W on August 8, 2012 at 9:09am

Did Jesus heal the lover of a gay Centurion?  Huff post article.  I don't see any reason to believe that the Jesus character of the Bible really existed, so for me this is more like thinking about what a character did on Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica.  Even so, it's potential discussion for christian friends.  If christian tradition includes Jesus' caring treatment of the slave/lover of a Roman soldier, it could make for interesting conversation.

Comment by sk8eycat on August 5, 2012 at 10:52am

Oh, dear.  I was just getting ready to close my accounts with Wells Fargo because of their involvement with "predatory" mortgages....  Maybe I'll leave one account with them.

Life is complicated.

Comment by Daniel W on August 5, 2012 at 9:55am
Comment by sk8eycat on August 2, 2012 at 4:22pm

Tammy, average middle class black people in this country, the "pew-sitters," tend to be even more homophobic than similar-class whites.  More of them actually totally disown their gay childen who are brave enough to come out at all.

Like you, I have never understood their deep devotion to a superstitious mind-set that kept their ancestors enslaved for 200 years, and then justified segregation for another 100 years.

But then,  most xians don't make the obvious connection between the sweet little baby in the manger and his only destiny on the cross, nor do they grasp the fact that it's all a myth, anyway.

We still have a long way to go.

Comment by Tammy S on August 2, 2012 at 11:56am

What had me screaming at the television this morning, was the clip they kept showing of a black man happy to buy his freaking chicken sandwich in support of marriage as defined by Gawd and the buybull! I thought to myself... not so long ago these same 'good believers' defined being 'black' as a 'curse' according to their bible and that same god...  How is it that he can't seem to comprehend this? As long as I live I guess I will never understand this... at least I hope I never will, I don't want to find empathy with this kind of idiocy and hatefulness...

Comment by sk8eycat on August 2, 2012 at 11:40am

Geraldo and Sentient Biped: I remember two things very vividly from my short career touringthe US with an ice show starting in 1957; 1) Segregation...separate waiting rooms in railroad and bus stations, separate drinking fountains everywhere...separate everything, and black (or dark brown) people not even allowed inside dumps like White Castle. They had to wait outside the kitchen doors for their sacks of cheap greaseburgers. 2) The times our comapny manager had to bail some of our skaters out of jail (so we could do the show!) because they had happened to be in certain bars when the police decided to raid them. Nothing was going on in the bars except drinking and dancing, but the fact that the customers were 99% male was enough fo the cops to go in and haul them away.  Stonewall was a beginning, but only a beginning.

The laws may have changed in some places, but the fear and hatred are still there, and it scares me because I don't understand it.

People like Mr. Chick-Feeler use the buybull as an excuse (or a reason), but that only shows they are as ignorant as the barbarians who made up the fables in the first place.  It also demonstrates that they have never really read the entire buybull...it's ugly...but maybe we should be grateful on that point.  Otherwise they would insist on stoning people to death for working on Sundays, or talking back to their parents.

The only encouraging news I have read in the last few weeks is that the number of non-believers is growing at a rapid rate...almost 20% now.  Maybe some of us are growing up.  I hope so.

 

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