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Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

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Comment by Dominic Florio on May 13, 2012 at 9:15pm

I don't know the difference, being circumcised myself, but I do get angry when anyone tries to justify it.  It is obvious mutilation.  But, due to culture and growing up in the USA, I have always seen the circumcised penis as "normal" and attractive.  It shouldn't be that way.

Not only is the practice a product of religion, but it has caused a disrespect for the penis.  This is hard to reconcile being that penis is so important to most of us.  It might be that individual straight men, find their penises to be important to them, but they don't want to think about, or at least admit to thinking about someone else's penis. 

Imagine if anyone said, "If she looks at another guy, or if she does whatever..., I'll tear her breasts off, or I'll cut off her clit, or I'll sew up her vagina."  Everyone would be outraged, and rightfully so.  But, do you all remember back to the time of Bobbit having his penis cut off by his outraged wife?  Not only did everyone, including the media, make a big joke about it, there was even discussion of whether or not, she was justified.  Knowing how important the penis is to a man, it was and still is used as a subject of vulnerability and punishment.

While I'm not obsessed over it and I do feel quite "normal", I do see circumcision as a violation and mutilation of the individual.  Imagine how the inter-sexed person feels.  Not only were they not given the choice of being able to live as a man or a woman, they may choose to live just as they are.  Not only would surgery possibly remove any sexual sensation, besides that, the person may feel comfortable living neither as a male or a female.  It should be the choice of that person, when they are old enough to make it.  In the case of correction needed to assist in urination, again, the minimal surgery should be performed so that the person can make a decision about gender and sexual function, in their own time.  

Comment by A Former Member on May 13, 2012 at 9:11pm

You know, it's obvious that feeling like a man or a woman is important to a lot of people, but I can't honestly say -- or at least I don't think so -- that I've ever thought too terribly much about feeling "like a man." I mean, I just feel like myself. What is feeling like a man supposed to feel like? Is it the same for everyone? I just always felt like me, not so much me as male/gender (or not male as some people do). There are times when I felt aggressive or confident (and other times not so much), but I'm not sure I thought "this is what a man feels like."

 

Maybe I'm special like that. My mother always said I was special. But my father corrected her and said I was just slow.

Comment by Sentient Biped on May 13, 2012 at 9:02pm

VT, for what it's worth, I think clitorectomy is much more extreme than circumcision.   I'm against circumcision, but one is more major than the other.

Comment by A Former Member on May 13, 2012 at 8:50pm

In fact, I've never seen a discussion on circumcision that wasn't heated.

Comment by A Former Member on May 13, 2012 at 8:50pm

Yes, we've had heated debates on this site about circumcision. I'm against it, and a lot of people are.

Comment by vegantiger on May 13, 2012 at 8:48pm

Thank you SB. That was the point I was trying to make and I totally agree.

>>>My concern is if most of the surgeries are forced conformity to a >>>rigid gender standard.  It leads me to think psychological >>>injuries may be greater than the cosmetic "benefit", and need to >>>be respected.

Comment by A Former Member on May 13, 2012 at 8:47pm

Hmmm..so the micropenis is what exactly? I'll go look at that video, but you don't have a clitoris? Don't they sometimes use that to construct a penis?

Comment by vegantiger on May 13, 2012 at 8:46pm

I find it interesting almost everyone agrees that clitorectomies are child abuse and mutilation but people still don't get the connection with circumcision which is the same thing. It's religious stupidity and they've partnered with the medical field to claim it's done in the name of cleanliness, which you can hear most people chant like they're in a trance. It was originally done to curtail masterbation. Like that helped. LOL

Comment by vegantiger on May 13, 2012 at 8:41pm

Dallas Gaytheist...you're funny! LOL

>>>Do you have a penis yet? And how does a constructed penis get >>>erect? I’ve never known.

 

The bottom surgery I was alluding to is removing any female parts that may be there, called a radical hysterectomy, closing that up and then I will go to Dr. Brassard in Montreal who will create a penis from my forearm, called a forearm phalloplasty which will be hooked up to my micropenis surgically connecting all the nerves, blood vessels, etc. The next surgery will be creation of the scrotum and testicles then the third surgery, if necessary will be an erticle implant. Some guys end up not needing the erectile device if they have sufficient blood flow and enough natural erectile tissue that is connected to the new penis. There's a good documentary on YouTube that shows one such penis called "My Transsexual Summer". Check it out. Also Dr. Brassard's website is grsmontreal.com if you're interested in seeing what's entailed in the surgery.

Comment by A Former Member on May 13, 2012 at 5:47pm

Cousin of "bat boy" would be the most believeable rumor about him, compared to what the right has claimed.

 

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