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Comment by Sentient Biped on August 8, 2012 at 9:09am

Did Jesus heal the lover of a gay Centurion?  Huff post article.  I don't see any reason to believe that the Jesus character of the Bible really existed, so for me this is more like thinking about what a character did on Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica.  Even so, it's potential discussion for christian friends.  If christian tradition includes Jesus' caring treatment of the slave/lover of a Roman soldier, it could make for interesting conversation.

Comment by sk8eycat on August 5, 2012 at 10:52am

Oh, dear.  I was just getting ready to close my accounts with Wells Fargo because of their involvement with "predatory" mortgages....  Maybe I'll leave one account with them.

Life is complicated.

Comment by Sentient Biped on August 5, 2012 at 9:55am
Comment by sk8eycat on August 2, 2012 at 4:22pm

Tammy, average middle class black people in this country, the "pew-sitters," tend to be even more homophobic than similar-class whites.  More of them actually totally disown their gay childen who are brave enough to come out at all.

Like you, I have never understood their deep devotion to a superstitious mind-set that kept their ancestors enslaved for 200 years, and then justified segregation for another 100 years.

But then,  most xians don't make the obvious connection between the sweet little baby in the manger and his only destiny on the cross, nor do they grasp the fact that it's all a myth, anyway.

We still have a long way to go.

Comment by Tammy S on August 2, 2012 at 11:56am

What had me screaming at the television this morning, was the clip they kept showing of a black man happy to buy his freaking chicken sandwich in support of marriage as defined by Gawd and the buybull! I thought to myself... not so long ago these same 'good believers' defined being 'black' as a 'curse' according to their bible and that same god...  How is it that he can't seem to comprehend this? As long as I live I guess I will never understand this... at least I hope I never will, I don't want to find empathy with this kind of idiocy and hatefulness...

Comment by sk8eycat on August 2, 2012 at 11:40am

Geraldo and Sentient Biped: I remember two things very vividly from my short career touringthe US with an ice show starting in 1957; 1) Segregation...separate waiting rooms in railroad and bus stations, separate drinking fountains everywhere...separate everything, and black (or dark brown) people not even allowed inside dumps like White Castle. They had to wait outside the kitchen doors for their sacks of cheap greaseburgers. 2) The times our comapny manager had to bail some of our skaters out of jail (so we could do the show!) because they had happened to be in certain bars when the police decided to raid them. Nothing was going on in the bars except drinking and dancing, but the fact that the customers were 99% male was enough fo the cops to go in and haul them away.  Stonewall was a beginning, but only a beginning.

The laws may have changed in some places, but the fear and hatred are still there, and it scares me because I don't understand it.

People like Mr. Chick-Feeler use the buybull as an excuse (or a reason), but that only shows they are as ignorant as the barbarians who made up the fables in the first place.  It also demonstrates that they have never really read the entire buybull...it's ugly...but maybe we should be grateful on that point.  Otherwise they would insist on stoning people to death for working on Sundays, or talking back to their parents.

The only encouraging news I have read in the last few weeks is that the number of non-believers is growing at a rapid rate...almost 20% now.  Maybe some of us are growing up.  I hope so.

Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on August 2, 2012 at 10:05am

pre Chick-Fil-A history

Virginia Trail Judge
Quoted in Loving v. Virginia

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And But for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."
  - Loving v. Virginia, 1967

Comment by Sentient Biped on August 2, 2012 at 9:36am

The Chic-Fil-A thing (whatever it is) is yet another way that people line up on one side or the other, often forgetting what it's about. I have to keep reminding myself it is not about the personal beliefs of the founder. It's about the fact that some (a lot) of dollars, that go into the cash registers at the chain's stores, go to spread hate and discrimination against human beings who happen to be LGBT. There are few clearer cases of "voting with dollars" to dehumanize people.  Those dollars actually hurt people, when they go to the hate groups.

As for the long lines at the stores, they are simple small minded shallow bigots. It's easy to discount the people standing around with their bags of Chic-Fil-A, looking like they ain't had so much fun since the hogs ate Junior.  Except, when I look at them, I think of the same rednecks who tormented me decades ago, and how they and their young'ns have learned nothing, grown not at all, and are still as useless as hen shit on a pump handle. I also think of the willfully ignorant Palinistas of the last election.

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Meanwhile, I'll continue to eat healthy and recommend to my friends not to eat the hormone-laden, grease-soaked poultry sandwiches that support bigotry.

Comment by Steph S. on July 31, 2012 at 5:17pm

Thanks for posting the Boston letter Tony!

Cool - I love Annie Laurie Gaylor - thanks for the article link sk8eycat - I'm going to check that out now.

Comment by sk8eycat on July 31, 2012 at 3:24pm

"Chick-fil-A Lays an Egg" blog post by Annie Laurie Gaylor, FFRF co-prez:

http://ffrf.org/news/blog/chick-fil-a-lays-an-egg/

The comments following the post are interesting, too. 

If Mr. Cathy runs his business on "biblical principles" as he claims, I wonder if he beats his "employees/servants/slaves" when they make mistakes. "Jesus" said he's supposed to.

These TrueChristians(tm) don't even know what's in their own buybull.

PS: The last I heard, the mayors of San Francisco and Washington DC have joined Thomas Menino in writing to the Chicken Man to tell him his stores are not welcome in their towns.

 

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