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UK headed down the path to marriage equality. It's going to be a long slog, possibly a year while they work some issues, like will humanists be allowed to perform marriages. Church of England, which was started by the promiscuous and serial polygamist Henry VIII, is against marriage equality. The queen will have to sign the bill.
That's a beautiful video, Sentient.
Nice video.... California entered the 21st century. Next.... Texas? Well, I can dream!
Both couples who were plaintiffs in the Prop. 8 case, Kris Perry and Sandy Stier, and Paul Katami and Jeff Zarrillo, got married last night!
So did other couples.
That HuffPost/AP article quotes a constitutional law professor, who said that
... the Supreme Court's 25-day waiting period to make its decisions final isn't binding on lower courts.
"Some people may think it was in poor form, But it's not illegal," Amar said. "The appeals court may have felt that this case has dragged on long enough."
Given that word did not come down from the appeals court until mid-afternoon, most counties were not prepared to stay open late to accommodate potential crowds. The clerks in a few counties announced that they would stay open a few hours late Friday before reopening Monday.
A jubilant San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee announced that same-sex couples would be able to marry all weekend in his city, which is hosting its annual gay pride celebration.
Yes, it's good that the public is starting to realize that the burden of proof lies on the homophobes. There would need to be a valid reason to restrict our marriages or discriminate against us, not just because "tradition!" or "Jesus!" or "man-on-man sex is icky!"
(I also liked that description of a politician avoiding the subject as "oh, look, a squirrel!")
Sentient, I think your guesses that the Supreme Court will invoke states' rights consistently (not just when it suits bible-thumpers), to throw out DOMA Section 3 and to uphold California's marriage ban -- letting states define marriage however they wish -- are quite plausible. I hope for better, maybe even the "seven-state scenario" of "marriage-like rights and responsibilities must be recognized as marriage for all". We'll see.
Whatever happens, it'll remain important to pass an Employment NonDiscrimination Act, which would arguably help a lot more people and continue shifting the window towards unremarkable acceptance.
I've gone from anticipation and concern, to annoyance and irritation at the Supreme court and their foot dragging on the decisions that affect me and millions of other LGBTI people.
I think I know how the conservatives will vote - although a conservative point of view, one would think, would honor a state's right to allow 2 people to enter into a marriage contract, and require the federal govt to honor that contract. I'm no lawyer and I'm no constitutional scholar.
GC I agree with your that the burden of proof lies on the homophobes.
I like that comment "oh look, a squirrel" which goes along with the press "oooooh, shiney!".
On marriage, the Overton window has definitely shifted in a progressive direction. From "The opposition goes silent" (Timothy Kincaid, at Box Turtle Bulletin; emphases added):
I believe that the nation has changed its views on who bears the burden of proof. This is, in many ways, a more important shift than merely those who favor or oppose same-sex marriage; it’s a shift in how the debate is conducted.
[...] we have entered a phase in which one can be “not ready” or “not convinced” or “not yet evolved” on the issue of marriage equality. That’s simply opinion. But to be actively opposed suggests a character flaw, something with a whiff of nastiness and maybe even vile. The public – right and left – seem to have decided that you can support gay marriage or you can not support gay marriage, but you can’t oppose gay marriage any longer.
So more and more, those who can safely be assumed to favor heterosexual superiority simply choose to say nothing. [...] Even George W. Bush, the man most tied to the campaign against equality, decided that he just doesn’t have an opinion anymore.
And today we have another good example.
The Palm Beach Post has an article about activists in Florida beginning a campaign to change minds in that state [...] Translated out of politician speak, [Florida's Republican Gov. Rick] Scott said, “My view on marriage is… ummm… look a squirrel.”
The New Yorker has an interactive map showing possible results of Supreme Court rulings on DOMA and Prop. 8.
Oh well.... guess I had the date wrong for supreme court releases. I'm speculating they will wait until the last possible minute to release their decisions.
Tomorrow is the 2nd to last chance for the Supreme court to release its decisions affecting millions of LGBTI Americans. I wonder if they will have the courage, moral rectitude, and intelligence, to do the right thing?
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