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Comment by sk8eycat on March 3, 2014 at 1:22pm

*sigh* That kind of bigoted thinking is (unfortunately) part of our history...in the original constitution African slaves only counted as a fraction of a whole person...I don't know about African freedmen ... and their children, born on this continent, were still considered not quite human....even if they were half white, the result of a master having his way with a helpless slave.

I toured much of the South from 1957 thru 1960, and was appalled/furious at the way descendants of African slaves were treated. Our shows were segregated; black people sat in the balconies of the theaters and arenas we played.  In Memphis, the balcony had been declared unsafe by the city, so all our shows there had all-white audiences...except for the Sunday evening all-black show.  THAT audience had money; and class, the women were dressed much better than most of our all-white audiences were.  But they weren't allowed to sit next to "white" people.  Not "good" enough.

So now it's LGBT people....and don't forget why we are all HERE in A/N...Atheists!  We aren't human either, according to the Crasstians.

(I coined the word "Crasstians" last night; I think it fits them a LOT better than "fundies."  I give the whole world permission to use it whenever they feel like it. Love, Felaine  Meee-YOW!)

Injustice totally freaks me out...more than anything else.                       

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 3, 2014 at 12:53pm

Daniel, thanks for posting the video about transgender rights.  At 3:39 mins. the gentleman says, "I think it's very important not to forget that we are humans...."   That is quite a striking statement that not only is true but unfortunately needs to be said. 

Gay rights these days seem to be progressing rather quickly, much faster than I ever imagined just five or ten years ago.  But I'm sorry to say that respect for transgender rights has not been included in this whirlwind of progress.  Sure, whenever we publicly demand equality, we are doing so under the unified banner of "LGBT," but most often the "T" is not even talked about or recognized, even amongst the gay community.  

There certainly are right-wing bigoted people who view all of us (LGBT) as less than human, but we LGB people have some  cleaning up to do and progress to be made in our own community as well regarding our fellow T's.     

Comment by sk8eycat on March 3, 2014 at 11:39am

Not so new news:

http://nation.time.com/2014/03/01/disney-stop-boy-scout-funding-pro...

The Walt Disney Company announced Saturday it would withdraw funding from the Boy Scouts of America beginning in 2015 unless the scouting organization overturns a policy banning gay leaders.

Disney doesn’t directly donate to the Boy Scouts, but plans to stop allowing employees to do volunteer work through Disney’s VoluntEARS program in exchange for cash donations to the Boy Scouts of America, reports CNN

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Now, if the BSA would stop putting "god" before "country" or get rid of gods altogether....not in what's left of my lifetime, I fear.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 3, 2014 at 1:06am

Oh! I accept your invitation to answer my own questions, but not tonight. I am too tired. Seems like a good project for tomorrow. Good night.

Comment by Daniel W on March 3, 2014 at 12:28am

Joan, those are interesting questions.  I suppose I could ask you the same.

As for support, it would be Ning.  We are pretty mutually supporting, but also give each other space.  He can be over-assertive - part of Chinese macho, I think - but he knows my limits, and is pretty much live and let live.  He doesn't understand some of my values but accepts that is who I am, and I do him as well.

I feel fully accepted on Nexus.  No other venue.  Never.  Is anyone ever fully accepted in a particular venue?  There are some individuals who accept and respect me, and it's mutual.  But that is the individuals, not the venue.

I don't know about people giving support.  I try to think of myself as an adult, and I shouldn't need support.  Obviously, that's not true, everyone needs a hand.  We all do.  But I try to be the strongest one in the room, emotionally, and give support to people who need it more.  If I am conscious when I die, my thought will be to tell the person I care about the most, go on and  have a good life, thank you for being so good and so kind, you really did do your best and I'm grateful.

Is anyone comfortable being who they are?  As what part?  As a gay man - relevant in this group - almost never.  As someone who is over-intellectual - almost never.  In my profession - almost never.  Are we supposed to be comfortable?  :-)  Probably saying too much there......   :-)

I don't know about what principles anyone could tease from my experiences that would be helpful to others!  The golden rule applies.  Stop and really listen to people whenever possible.  Nobody is perfect.  Ingersol's lines about happiness apply more than any other.  

You have never offended me or caused discomfort.  Never.  Thank you.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 2, 2014 at 11:51pm

Daniel, where do you get your best support?

In what venue do you feel fully accepted?

Who are the people or groups who give you the support you need?

When are you most comfortable being who you are?

What principles can we tease out of your experiences that we can be helpful to others? 

How do I/we offend you or cause others discomfort? 

Comment by Daniel W on March 2, 2014 at 9:53pm

Comment by sk8eycat on February 23, 2014 at 11:14pm

I must say that Payson is a nice little town; I spent 2 weeks there dog-sitting for Al and his partner a few years ago, and met a lot of nice people.  It's at 5,000 ft, so the summer climate is usually mild, and they get some snow in the winter.  It's becoming a popular retirement area...certainly a LOT less expensive than California!  Many of the homes are factory-manufactured, but you can't tell just by looking at them.  Very sensible. And comfortable.

My cousins live in Winslow (as did my favorite aunt who died a few months ago...dammitall!); some of them bitch about the large number of Navajos that come into town from the reservation, but...good grief!  The Navajos were there first!

Comment by sk8eycat on February 23, 2014 at 10:55pm

NOTHING makes me angrier than bigotry and injustice!  I just don't know what I can do to stop it...feeling helpless also makes me mad. All I can do is write letters to editors, and sit here hissing and spitting.

Comment by sk8eycat on February 23, 2014 at 10:49pm

The big question is how the *bleep* do bigots tell who is gay, or whatever, unless they advertize what they are?  What if two (or any number of) businessmen go to a "working lunch" together; do they somehow have to prove they aren't gay before they can be seated and served?  How are they supposed to do that?

The whole thing is stupid.

I remember when Jesse Helms was carrying on about "family values" and anti-gay everything...he had NO idea how many gay and lesbian voters lived in North Carolina, or any other state.  Quite a few, actually...I know some of them....

All these idiots focus on is the syllable "SEX" in "homosexual" or "transsexual"...religious people are obsessed with everyone else's sex lives.  Fundies are today's version of puritans:

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
H. L. Mencken
 

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