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The big question is how the *bleep* do bigots tell who is gay, or whatever, unless they advertize what they are? What if two (or any number of) businessmen go to a "working lunch" together; do they somehow have to prove they aren't gay before they can be seated and served? How are they supposed to do that?
The whole thing is stupid.
I remember when Jesse Helms was carrying on about "family values" and anti-gay everything...he had NO idea how many gay and lesbian voters lived in North Carolina, or any other state. Quite a few, actually...I know some of them....
All these idiots focus on is the syllable "SEX" in "homosexual" or "transsexual"...religious people are obsessed with everyone else's sex lives. Fundies are today's version of puritans:
Felaine, your story, and the one you shared with us through the film reveals a dark and ugly USA past, which sadly goes on. You are quite correct in the national hatred of atheist, non-believers of any stripe, and religions that don't stand upon the pedestal of Abraham. Hatred, bigotry, dogmatism, narrow-mindedness, all play their part in holding us back from the next leap forward in the human evolutionary journey.
We are, without a doubt, at a cutting edge in history. A lot rides on the outcome, even life as we know it on Earth. If we remain shy, or afraid of being called names or having dirty tricks played on us, then we lose, automatically. The only way humanity can progress is for individuals who share a vision of justice and peace stand together in coalition. One person alone can submit to fear; a whole community caught in the talons of dominators means maintaining and perpetuating the status quo.
Standing up before family, friends, the community and stating, "I am a nonbeliever; I do not see evidence of a god!" isn't really all that difficult ... long term. What is difficult is living under the shroud of any theism.
I have friends and relatives in central and northern Arizona. I sent the link to that story to a couple (been together 40+ years) in Payson (geographical center of the state...) This was their reply:
My VERY long reply:
It's going to cost the taxpayers an arm and a leg, and maybe a few hips, to fight it in the courts. Definitely unconstitutional. D'you think the Gov. is hateful enough to sign it? Or let it lapse into law?This kind of nastiness makes me sick, even though it doesn't affect me personally; sort of like the first time I travelled with Holiday in the South in 1957, and saw separate waiting rooms, separate water fountains, signs by the seats in buses, and black people buying fast food burgers from kitchen doors instead of at the counters out front like everyone else. I'd read about that kind of thing, but actually seeing it, and living with it was something else altogether.I also still fume about what Mabel Fairbanks had to go through to become a professional skater in the 1940s and '50s....she had to put together her own shows and play places like Cuba and South America. she also had to resort to subterfuge to get her students admitted to the USFSA in the late 1960s (!) so they could compete....something she was never allowed to do. She trained champions, but was not inducted into the USFSA Hall of Fame till 1997. A bit of an afterthought IMO.This video made me cry a bit...I love Atoy, I'm glad he put this together.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-kW4bSdx2oI often wonder which group is going to be next. I belong to THE most hated minority in the USA...atheists. We are now close to 20% of the population, but no politician (since Pete Stark) can get elected dog-catcher if she or he admits to being non-religious.Oh, this pi$$es me off so much I can hardly think! I hope Gov. Brewer develops a brain instead of her usual cerebral tentacle, and vetoes the bill. Even if she agrees with it, she must be aware of how much the fight is going to cost the state.Felaine <snarling>
Considering the level of Bigotry pervading Arizona, I would boycot them. The problem is, I have never gone there, I don't plan to, and I'm not aware of buying anything from there. Not much left to boycot. Kind of like Alabama, same thing.
Arizona has long endeavored to be "The Alabama of the Southwest". I don't know why. Well, yes I do. Arizona is one of the major "White flight" states, as reactionary white people left California and other states in reaction to the presence of more people of color.
I know a fair number of "snowbirds" - retirees who migrate to Arizona in the winter, and back to the Northwest in the summer. Some of them, you can't even chit chat with, without their bigotry coming to the front. "How was the winter there this year?" "The sunshine was great. But too many Mexicans."
I didn't to research on statistic there. I don't feel like becoming worked up and upset. My impression is, recent anti-immigrant (more accurately, "Anti-Mexican", since they won't pull people over for looking Canadian) laws have resulted in people of Mexican heritage leaving the state. Alabama, too. When I am in a better mood I might check on that. Might not.
More on Virginia. It makes me want to cry.
I never thought in my lifetime there would be so much change. Never imagined. Being gay, I never expected acceptance, equality. The purveyors of misery would not allow it!
I shake my head and think, wake me up! It's too much!
You cant go through life without knowing there is a pendulum. For every yin, a yang. I don't believe in metaphysical forces that call for balance - our success does not create misery in Africa, Arab nations, Russia. But I keep thinking, the next election cycle.... what will happen?
Ultimately it will go to the Supreme Court again. I hope Ginsberg is taking her vitamins.
Just amazed. Amazed.
It has been my experience and observation that it takes generations for any kind of prejudice to die out; it's passed down in families, churches, and even public schools. It was over 100 years after Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation before the Civil Rights legislation was passed, and even that didn't change people's attitudes.
Look at the way the Boy Scouts still discriminates against LGBT and atheist children; how does that affect the youngsters who are members today? (I have no idea how many African-American Boy Scouts there are now, but I suspect it's a small percentage... smaller than the percent of African Americans in the entire population, I suppose.)
Hell, look how long it took for women to be allowed to vote in the USA, and what some of the suffragettes had to go through to get lawmakers to realize they were serious. And how many decades after that before women were (somewhat) accepted in the workplace doing the same jobs as men. I think it took the absence of skilled men during WW2 to turn things around, and when the men came home they wanted women off the assembly lines, out of the offices, and back in the kitchen. Many women refused to go.
But the ERA was never passed, women are still making less than men who do the same work, and women are still not promoted as often as men are to managerial positions.
The sad fact is that it's the mindless beer-drinking, FAUX Noose-watching couch potatoes who make the difference, and there are way too many of them. May they all die childless.
I have seen this sort of ignorance in Africa, The Middle and Far East and to a lesser extent in Europe. Here in the States we should not get too comfortable, a lot of the Police here are just as bad especially with the Ts. If you are a member of the LGBT community you have probably experienced it first hand. The US Government gives a lot of lip service but when it comes down to real action of-times they look the other way.
Unfortunately, I believe it will take generations for this kind of hate to subside in Russia, especially since it's government endorsed. The LGBTQI community there has a long, rough road ahead of them. I can't imagine living in that type of environment.
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