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Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

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Gay Marriage Steals Rights From God

Started by Pat. Last reply by James M. Martin Jun 28. 21 Replies

Obama quietly advances transgender rights

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West End Girls - Suburbia

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Finland's Gay Bondage Stamps

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 23. 19 Replies

Utah's Governor Grinch

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Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 3, 2014 at 9:45pm

Regarding my comment below, I meant to say, your perspective helps make us whole. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 3, 2014 at 9:23pm

Chrissie, I'm very intrigued by something you said below.  "It took a long time and a lot of money to correct that birth defect."  Do you really consider the condition of your birth to be a defect?  To me, that seems to be a rather harsh evaluation of yourself, but I have not been in your same situation.  

Thanks for you words below.  We are all a piece of the pie, and your perspective helps make up whole. 

Comment by Sentient Biped on March 3, 2014 at 8:52pm

Chrissie, thank you for sharing your experiences and insights.  You have done a lot and been through a lot.  People should listen to you.

Comment by Chrissie Farthing on March 3, 2014 at 8:30pm

It appears that to participate in any cult that claims to be a religion you have to pick at least one group of mankind to hate.  Even those who have suffered hatred for years seem to also find another group to hate.  Its not just the so called Christian bigots I have seen it in every cult going.  American evangelists are responsible for a lot of hate and murder in Africa.  I have traveled through Africa, Asia and the Middle East and being an in the closet transsexual woman during those times and an atheist I was able to look at all the stupidity that these cults can dream up with out any internal reason to accept any of this crap.  Living as what appeared to be a straight male made life fairly easy but I hated it and after 75 years of trying to be something that I was not I finally managed to gain my true gender as the female I always was.  It took a long time and a lot of money to correct that birth defect.  I am at home in my new life but I now have to face a new bunch of crazy's.  Not only the Sky god fruit cakes but now a lot of radical lesbians who say if I was not born woman than they also have the right to hate the tranny. Makes you wonder just what will be next.  Now we have black people hating black people.

I am now getting through my 80th year on this earth.  It seems like we humans find something new to hate every time we get to the point of finally accepting that we were wrong to hate this or that we go off in a new direction and start hating someone else.

In my opinion the Human race has a very long way to go before it grows up to finally be responsible for themselves.  Of course I think that long before that happens we will have given this planet back to the cockroaches.

Perhaps in another million years a new life form will materialize, It would have to go a long way to screw it up as bad as we have done. .The last lot, you know the big lizards were not all screwed up believing a bunch of fairy tales, all they had to worry about was getting eaten by one of the big bastards.  Life was quite simple.  

Comment by Sentient Biped on March 3, 2014 at 8:29pm

That guy doesn't know how he mirrors past bigotry.  I remember as a kid, in my church, they used to say black men would steal away white women because of the irresistible sensuality of black men.

As for testing the DNA of intersex children, I don't know what that accomplishes.  Even if chromosomally a child is one sex or the other, or both (XXY and XYY people), they have a right to keep their anatomy intact.  The rest of the world needs to learn to accept that people come in all sorts.  There are also women who are XY but their cells don't respond to androgen, so they are completely female but don't have ovaries and can't have children.  They come out of the uterus completely female.  There would be no reason to try to make them male, just because they are XY.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 3, 2014 at 8:05pm

Yes, Joan, I agree wholeheartedly.  Felaine has spoken passionately and eloquently.  Thanks to both of you and also to all our other allies on here who have chimed in with support.  All of you make the world a better place.      

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 3, 2014 at 7:31pm

There's so much wrong, outlandish and f*cked up about the person in this video that it's hard to imagine that he's actually being serious.  Where does one even begin?

 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 3, 2014 at 7:18pm

Felaine, you write powerfully and your voice needs to be heard by a wider audience. Everything you write is factual and not just complaining about life and being a victim. By naming the problem, giving concrete details, you provide valuable information that some people just do not have. Once they get the real picture, some will pay attention and join in your and our struggles. 

Comment by sk8eycat on March 3, 2014 at 4:01pm

O, Sentient one, there is another "born that way problem"...one that I have, and don't usually resent, except when it comes to job and pay equality.  I was born female, and "I've enjoyed being a girl" EXCEPT when it came to a couple of part time jobs I wanted (one was just delivering flowers, for shirts sake!), but lost because I was female. And pay inequality.

Because I was a bookkeeper and payroll clerk most of my life, I knew damn well none of the women were being paid as much as men who were doing exactly the same work.  So now that I'm going on 75, I'm getting about 2/3 of the Social InSecurity "benefits" that I would be if  'd been paid more, and had more FICA tax deducted from my earnings. It's the difference between paying all my monthly bills at once and deciding which ones I'll let slide for another month.

And the pay inequality is still going  on in most places.
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NOW....do they test intersex babies' DNA as soon as they are born now?  They SHOULD...that would give a more accurate answer than visual inspection.  Or leave the kid alone, and wait till he or she is old enough to tell who or what he or she feels like.  Most people know before, or on the edge of, puberty whether they are gay, str8, bi, male or female.  At least that's what I've heard from friends, and read.

Just don't hide the facts of life from kids to keep them "innocent." They aren't...nobody is. 

I have an e-friend who is a sex educator, and she is highly in favor of teaching kids (and their parents) about sex and sexuality from first grade on.  And so am I.  It would certainly save a lot of heartache later on.

Nevertheless, WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS, WORTHY OF THE SAME RESPECT AND RIGHTS AS EVERYBODY ELSE.

I have spoken!

(And how many bigots know how close human DNA is to a chimpanzee's?  Heh!  90-something%)

Comment by Sentient Biped on March 3, 2014 at 2:47pm

Carl, Felaine I agree wholeheartedly with your assessments.   As for sexual minorities, a lot of people forget that it's not who they are as an individual that determines the rights of other people, or what they like themselves, but it is the humanity of the people involved.

We also shouldn't forget intersex people in this.  Intersex people also get left behind.  I think that's often an issue of visibility.  And if anyone cares about the "born that way" argument, thinking that we are not born with our temperament and sexual orientation, there should be zero argument that intersex people are not "born that way".   Yet, intersex often means genital mutilation, forced identity, hidden physiology, and exclusion.

 

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