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Comment by A Former Member on November 26, 2011 at 3:19pm

Darren: Racism is the theory that the colour of someone's skin allows you to infer some behavioural trait or propensity.

 

I would add to that: ...or that race is a valid means to determine their value as a person or citizen.

 

DT: That said it might seem a bit shallow for appearance to be a deal breaker.

 

I certainly think a lot of people are shallow, and they treat good looks like a status symbol, as if they can only sleep with gorgeous people because it would be beneath them to do otherwise. However, I can't say that it is universally shallow. I don't like obesity at all. Not one bit. I like them lean and thin, without exception. I even tried to be with a bear once, and it was not working for me. But that preference has nothing to do with their value as a person.

 

Oddly enough, I'm increasingly bear-like myself, and seem to attract that type of man. Alas!

Comment by Darren Taggart on November 26, 2011 at 3:07pm
Racism is the theory that the colour of someone's skin allows you to infer some behavioural trait or propensity. Not finding a white person or whatever unattractive isn't racist, any more than being gay is sexist; it's just a function of taste. That said it might seem a bit shallow for appearance to be a deal breaker. That said my grandparents kissing is gross...
Comment by A Former Member on November 26, 2011 at 2:50pm

SB, thanks for the video of Cory Quach. I certainly think some gay people can be racist, or ageist, or whatever, and can be pretty rude about it. But I also see interracial couples and no one bats an eyelash over it.

 

Of course, not seeing what he has experienced, we can't say to what degree he has or has not experienced racism. However, I do know that sometimes people perceive racism out of fear of racism, as if their mind is primed to pick it out and then mistakes neutral comments / actions for racist ones. Just as we sometimes see homophobia when there actually isn't any.

 

Again, not knowing his experiences it is impossible to say exactly what is going on, but my comment is about people in general -- a human tendancy.

 

When I was young I didn't like Asian men at all, and I only liked white guys or black men who were light-skinned (or creme mocha, as we used to call it). Now, I'm almost exactly the opposite in my preferences. For many years I thought nearly exclusively of hispanic men. But now, not as much.

 

I do like some Japanese and Chinese men, but I don't generally like Vietnamese, Cambodian, or Malaysian men (or phenotype, perhaps?), as well as Hawaiians or Pacific Islanders, etc. But those preferences are not based in racist attitudes, just physical / sexual responses which are out of my control.

 

I think Cory is kind of cute, actually.

Comment by Tenken on November 26, 2011 at 12:34am

@Sentient
Thanks for the video.  I didn't realize there was discrimination like that against "Asians."  To be completely honest, I never thought of them as people "of color," as the guy in the video referred to himself.  It's hard for me to blame people for not being attracted to people of color, as my attraction definitely has limits too.  Is it conditioned?  Probably.  Could it be overcome?  Perhaps, but I have no real desire to change even if it could.

Comment by Tenken on November 26, 2011 at 12:00am

Sentient, you can read into it what you want, but his words are exactly how I feel.  He doesn't just think "sexuality is diverse"; he thinks sexuality is so diverse that it can't be "reduced to binary terms."  Even in the time of our discussion on here, I have included links that attack the construct validity of dichotomous sexual orientation, which is exactly what Vidal has done.  It's kind of like pointing out the absurdity that anyone would be biologically exclusively attracted to one sex when sexuality is so complex.

For the record, I do see how a man of your faith could interpret it differently, as if sexuality is so complex that it cannot be accurately defined by singling out one attribute like sex.  Doing so might even be deceptive, but not necessarily untrue.

Comment by Gary F. Lord on November 25, 2011 at 11:48pm

Thank you The Nerd.  Just asked to be a member. 

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 25, 2011 at 9:08pm

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 25, 2011 at 8:52pm

Gary,

Thank you for posting.  You are right, we get an interesting perspective looking at the past.  We still have progress needed ahead, but we have come so far....

Comment by Gary F. Lord on November 25, 2011 at 8:45pm

Hi all...first time I post here but watching these videos is making me feel not too bad about being teased in high school......really.  I can't believe that was the way it was back then.

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 25, 2011 at 7:25pm

The quote that I posted is not what you said.  Posting it again ""idal has consistently argued that the term "homosexual" has no validity, because human sexuality is too complex and diverse to be reduced to binary terms."  That does not state that he thinks all humans are bisexual.  It says he thinks human sexuality is diverse.  If he meant that he thinks all  humans are bisexual, he would say so - Vidal is nothing if not careful with his words.  Other than that correction, again, I won't be baited into that discussion again.

 

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