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Gay christians.

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Boycotting Indiana

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Per Right Wing Watch, The Nuts Are Really Coming after the Fruits

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Discrimination by nontheists?

Started by Jacob Dreiling. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Mar 27. 15 Replies

The Lack Of LGBT Atheists

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Priviliged Bickering

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Coming out in your teens.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on February 20, 2015 at 6:11pm

Loren, I agree with every word you wrote. I especially like your comments about contraception, family planning, and the role of a doctor in these decisions. 

A doctor who doesn't provide family planning services or doesn't want to serve GLBT adults has the obligation to provide the names of doctors who do, at the very least. Don't leave people hanging as she did. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 20, 2015 at 6:07pm

About the letter from the doctor denying services to the baby, 

1. It wasn't an apology for not providing care; it was an apology for not delivering the message herself.  

2. The doctor gave no indication as to whether she would or would not provide services for the baby. The parents clearly can reject any offer from her if they have other options. One could understand and support their not wanting to use her services.

3. The doctor surely has fallen for the "free will" agreement between herself and her God. The story goes that God gave the individual free will. The choice was whether the supplicant would suit god's need for obedience or not ... not that the doctor had free will as to whether to treat a child or not. 

4. It surprises me that a physician has any trouble at all with gender identification. Doesn't medical training cover that topic?

Comment by sk8eycat on February 20, 2015 at 6:05pm

If she were willing to spend the rest of her life studying wild animals in their natural habitats....JUST studying, not treating, she might learn that there is nothing "unnatural" about same-sex pairings, for one thing.  IF she is capable of learning anything that isn't in her Bronze Age holey book.

OR...put a "Nothing Fails Like Prayer" bumper sticker on her car while she's not looking.

OR....maybe she could be taught to say, "Ya wan' fries wi dat?" into the drive-thru microphone.

Comment by Pat on February 20, 2015 at 4:30pm

No Felaine. McDonald's should not hire her. She'd still have to be around children, and she has already amply demonstrated she can't be trusted with them.

As to becoming a veterinarian, if she's willing to let an infant flounder without care, why would you trust her with an animal?

My suggestion for a new career. Maybe a recycling sorting bin at the landfill. She can sort the used from the unused condoms.

Comment by sk8eycat on February 20, 2015 at 4:22pm

I was going to suggest that the doctor, who already KNEW the parents of the child were 2 women before the baby was born...she interviewed them 6 months before the birth...become a veterinarian.  But that's a much more difficult field than pediatrics.

Maybe she could get a job at McDonalds....as a clown.

Comment by Loren Miller on February 20, 2015 at 4:13pm

The doctor's actions amount to no more than religiously sanctioned bigotry.  If he had no knowledge regarding the parents or if one of the parents came in with the child, he could easily have thought that she was a single mother.  Done and done.

Those who promote kind of crap, along with related issues such as the failure to service birth control prescriptions for religious reasons, need to be called on for it until they either are willing to change their stance or find another profession.  This is SERVICE we're talking about, something I take very damned seriously, and if they are not willing to serve, they don't belong in the business.

Comment by Daniel W on February 20, 2015 at 2:45pm
sorry about typos. damn virtual keypad.
Comment by Daniel W on February 20, 2015 at 2:44pm
I consider it unethical to refuse care, simply because someone does not have the same practices or beleifs that I do. In all of my training I was taught that providing medical care superceded individual beleif.

I dont give a damn about descrimination by cake bakers and florists, but medical caregivers shoukd not have the dight to descriminate.

What is especislly heinous is this smug pediatritian's punishing a newborn because the child's mothers are Lesbian. Would she discriminate against christians not inher denomination? Against Muslims, or Jews, or (gasp) atheists?

Discrimating against a CHiLD because the PARENTS are gay. Her license should be revoked.
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 20, 2015 at 1:59pm

Apparently the good doctor did take her hypocritical oath seriously:

On February 9, four months after the discrimination took place, the Contreras family finally received a hand-written letter from [Dr.] Roi. She apologized, but explained, “After much prayer following your prenatal, I felt that I would not be able to develop the personal patient-doctor relationship that I normally do with my patients.” She admitted that she should have spoken to them that day instead of leaving a colleague to break the news, but she provided no clear explanation for the treatment. “Please know that I believe that God gives us free choice,” Roi wrote, “and I would never judge anyone based on what they do with that free choice.”

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 20, 2015 at 1:21am

This is what Hitchens said so powerfully,

Hitchens: Why fight religion?

For the doctor who would not take as a patient the child of same-sex parents, confusing loyalty to dogma before her hippocratic oath tells the parents all they need to know ... this doctor is not for them. 

Just another example of what Steven Weinstein said, 

 

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