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Comment by Grinning Cat on October 8, 2014 at 12:01pm

Loren and Pat, there's an xkcd comic that points out: "People often say that same-sex marriage now is like interracial marriage in the 60s. But in terms of public opinion, same-sex marriage now is like interracial marriage in the 90s, when it had already been legal nationwide for 30 years."

Comment by Grinning Cat on October 8, 2014 at 11:59am

Thanks, Pat! I thought the quotes were all anti-interracial-marriage; it's stunning how both types of opposition statements are practically interchangeable.

Comment by Loren Miller on October 8, 2014 at 8:52am

@Pat VERY instructive, Pat!  Thank you for posting that!

Comment by Pat on October 8, 2014 at 8:45am

@Loren, as a follow up to your statement of a desire to see a comparison of opposition to both same-sex and interracial marriage, I found this interesting little quiz. Damned if I could tell the difference in who the bigots were referring to!

Comment by Loren Miller on October 8, 2014 at 8:11am

I can't help but notice that the bible-thumpers and true believers have been foretelling the whole fire-and-brimstone trip as a reaction to the gays getting marriage rights for ages, just as others of their ilk predict the end of the world (which they can't wait for!) ... and it didn't happen yesterday, it's not happening today, and I'll bet ya a cup of coffee it won't happen tomorrow.  Meantime, they've tried to make a version of it happen with Prop 8 and DoMA and failed miserably, while studies of same-sex couples report that children of such unions are at least as happy and well oriented as those of hetero couples.

What I would really like to see is a comparison between those who rail against same-sex marriage and those who were so upset about the Loving vs Virginia decision, mostly to see how many of these bigots finally wake up and smell the coffee.

Comment by James M. Martin on October 8, 2014 at 7:57am

@Bertold, just as that Reinhardt opinion states, inclusion is the key to any democracy. I put a lot of stock in that old adage, agreeable somewhat nebulous, that as long as one is not free, all are in chains. As for "models of commitment," one of the primary accusations of homophobes is that gays are promiscuous. One of them was quoted as saying gays have a hundred partners a year or five hundred, or whatever. Wouldn't marriage help prevent the spread of HIV and a bunch of other problems laid at the feet of gays? Not that any of these dolts ever make much sense.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on October 7, 2014 at 11:40pm

Sometimes there's good news. This time, thanks to the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (from the NYT):


The lessons of our constitutional history are clear: Inclusion strengthens, rather than weakens, our most important institutions,” Judge Stephen R. Reinhardt wrote in the three-judge panel’s unanimous ruling. “When same-sex couples are married, just as when opposite-sex couples are married, they serve as models of loving commitment to all.

Comment by James M. Martin on October 7, 2014 at 5:34pm

@Bertold, what can you expect of people who want to apply 3,000 year old writings to anything in the Space Age. They needed babies for canon fodder and the largest tribe would win the wars, fought with spears, knives, clubs, &c. (I suspect Mr. Kalashnikov came along much later.)

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on October 7, 2014 at 3:26pm

A great response on Disqus to SCOTUS declining to hear a marriage equality case:

Leviticus, not the Constitution, is the law of the land. With gay people getting married, any day now God is going to rain down fire and brimstone on us all, and the United States will sink into the bowels of the earth, never to be heard of again. That's exactly what's happened to every other country where gay marriage is legal, right? Canada, France, Belgium, the Netherlands and all the rest---gone!

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on October 2, 2014 at 12:23pm

Protect Portland Children just sent out a list of 31 elementary schools that are targeted by the Good News Club for their after school child conversion programs. They're asking for parent volunteers to help monitor the activities of the club.

 

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