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Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on March 3, 2014 at 7:18pm

Felaine, you write powerfully and your voice needs to be heard by a wider audience. Everything you write is factual and not just complaining about life and being a victim. By naming the problem, giving concrete details, you provide valuable information that some people just do not have. Once they get the real picture, some will pay attention and join in your and our struggles. 

Comment by sk8eycat on March 3, 2014 at 4:01pm

O, Sentient one, there is another "born that way problem"...one that I have, and don't usually resent, except when it comes to job and pay equality.  I was born female, and "I've enjoyed being a girl" EXCEPT when it came to a couple of part time jobs I wanted (one was just delivering flowers, for shirts sake!), but lost because I was female. And pay inequality.

Because I was a bookkeeper and payroll clerk most of my life, I knew damn well none of the women were being paid as much as men who were doing exactly the same work.  So now that I'm going on 75, I'm getting about 2/3 of the Social InSecurity "benefits" that I would be if  'd been paid more, and had more FICA tax deducted from my earnings. It's the difference between paying all my monthly bills at once and deciding which ones I'll let slide for another month.

And the pay inequality is still going  on in most places.
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NOW....do they test intersex babies' DNA as soon as they are born now?  They SHOULD...that would give a more accurate answer than visual inspection.  Or leave the kid alone, and wait till he or she is old enough to tell who or what he or she feels like.  Most people know before, or on the edge of, puberty whether they are gay, str8, bi, male or female.  At least that's what I've heard from friends, and read.

Just don't hide the facts of life from kids to keep them "innocent." They aren't...nobody is. 

I have an e-friend who is a sex educator, and she is highly in favor of teaching kids (and their parents) about sex and sexuality from first grade on.  And so am I.  It would certainly save a lot of heartache later on.

Nevertheless, WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS, WORTHY OF THE SAME RESPECT AND RIGHTS AS EVERYBODY ELSE.

I have spoken!

(And how many bigots know how close human DNA is to a chimpanzee's?  Heh!  90-something%)

Comment by Sentient Biped on March 3, 2014 at 2:47pm

Carl, Felaine I agree wholeheartedly with your assessments.   As for sexual minorities, a lot of people forget that it's not who they are as an individual that determines the rights of other people, or what they like themselves, but it is the humanity of the people involved.

We also shouldn't forget intersex people in this.  Intersex people also get left behind.  I think that's often an issue of visibility.  And if anyone cares about the "born that way" argument, thinking that we are not born with our temperament and sexual orientation, there should be zero argument that intersex people are not "born that way".   Yet, intersex often means genital mutilation, forced identity, hidden physiology, and exclusion.

Comment by sk8eycat on March 3, 2014 at 1:22pm

*sigh* That kind of bigoted thinking is (unfortunately) part of our history...in the original constitution African slaves only counted as a fraction of a whole person...I don't know about African freedmen ... and their children, born on this continent, were still considered not quite human....even if they were half white, the result of a master having his way with a helpless slave.

I toured much of the South from 1957 thru 1960, and was appalled/furious at the way descendants of African slaves were treated. Our shows were segregated; black people sat in the balconies of the theaters and arenas we played.  In Memphis, the balcony had been declared unsafe by the city, so all our shows there had all-white audiences...except for the Sunday evening all-black show.  THAT audience had money; and class, the women were dressed much better than most of our all-white audiences were.  But they weren't allowed to sit next to "white" people.  Not "good" enough.

So now it's LGBT people....and don't forget why we are all HERE in A/N...Atheists!  We aren't human either, according to the Crasstians.

(I coined the word "Crasstians" last night; I think it fits them a LOT better than "fundies."  I give the whole world permission to use it whenever they feel like it. Love, Felaine  Meee-YOW!)

Injustice totally freaks me out...more than anything else.                       

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 3, 2014 at 12:53pm

Daniel, thanks for posting the video about transgender rights.  At 3:39 mins. the gentleman says, "I think it's very important not to forget that we are humans...."   That is quite a striking statement that not only is true but unfortunately needs to be said. 

Gay rights these days seem to be progressing rather quickly, much faster than I ever imagined just five or ten years ago.  But I'm sorry to say that respect for transgender rights has not been included in this whirlwind of progress.  Sure, whenever we publicly demand equality, we are doing so under the unified banner of "LGBT," but most often the "T" is not even talked about or recognized, even amongst the gay community.  

There certainly are right-wing bigoted people who view all of us (LGBT) as less than human, but we LGB people have some  cleaning up to do and progress to be made in our own community as well regarding our fellow T's.     

Comment by sk8eycat on March 3, 2014 at 11:39am

Not so new news:

http://nation.time.com/2014/03/01/disney-stop-boy-scout-funding-pro...

The Walt Disney Company announced Saturday it would withdraw funding from the Boy Scouts of America beginning in 2015 unless the scouting organization overturns a policy banning gay leaders.

Disney doesn’t directly donate to the Boy Scouts, but plans to stop allowing employees to do volunteer work through Disney’s VoluntEARS program in exchange for cash donations to the Boy Scouts of America, reports CNN

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Now, if the BSA would stop putting "god" before "country" or get rid of gods altogether....not in what's left of my lifetime, I fear.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 3, 2014 at 1:06am

Oh! I accept your invitation to answer my own questions, but not tonight. I am too tired. Seems like a good project for tomorrow. Good night.

Comment by Sentient Biped on March 3, 2014 at 12:28am

Joan, those are interesting questions.  I suppose I could ask you the same.

As for support, it would be Ning.  We are pretty mutually supporting, but also give each other space.  He can be over-assertive - part of Chinese macho, I think - but he knows my limits, and is pretty much live and let live.  He doesn't understand some of my values but accepts that is who I am, and I do him as well.

I feel fully accepted on Nexus.  No other venue.  Never.  Is anyone ever fully accepted in a particular venue?  There are some individuals who accept and respect me, and it's mutual.  But that is the individuals, not the venue.

I don't know about people giving support.  I try to think of myself as an adult, and I shouldn't need support.  Obviously, that's not true, everyone needs a hand.  We all do.  But I try to be the strongest one in the room, emotionally, and give support to people who need it more.  If I am conscious when I die, my thought will be to tell the person I care about the most, go on and  have a good life, thank you for being so good and so kind, you really did do your best and I'm grateful.

Is anyone comfortable being who they are?  As what part?  As a gay man - relevant in this group - almost never.  As someone who is over-intellectual - almost never.  In my profession - almost never.  Are we supposed to be comfortable?  :-)  Probably saying too much there......   :-)

I don't know about what principles anyone could tease from my experiences that would be helpful to others!  The golden rule applies.  Stop and really listen to people whenever possible.  Nobody is perfect.  Ingersol's lines about happiness apply more than any other.  

You have never offended me or caused discomfort.  Never.  Thank you.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 2, 2014 at 11:51pm

Daniel, where do you get your best support?

In what venue do you feel fully accepted?

Who are the people or groups who give you the support you need?

When are you most comfortable being who you are?

What principles can we tease out of your experiences that we can be helpful to others? 

How do I/we offend you or cause others discomfort? 

Comment by Sentient Biped on March 2, 2014 at 9:53pm

 

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