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Comment by Grinning Cat 4 hours ago

Religious-run schools and hospitals in Ireland will not be allowed to fire employees for being gay, divorced, or unmarried parents, according to Equality Minister Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, who expects the law to be changed this spring.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/schools-and-hospitals-to-lose-...

Comment by Grinning Cat 12 hours ago

Catching up... on the Denver bakery asked to put homophobic messages on a bible-shaped cake, they never refused the potential customer the cake. Just as Daniel suggested, "the baker could do everything but the actual text."

“He wanted us to write God hates …” she trails. “Just really radical stuff against gays.”

He wouldn’t allow me to make a copy of the message, but it was really hateful,” Marjorie adds. “I remember the words detestable, disgrace, homosexuality, and sinners.”

However uncomfortable the request made the pair, both maintain that he was never refused service.

“I told him that I would bake the cake in the shape of a Bible,” says Marjorie. “Then I told him I’d sell him a [decorating] bag with the right tip and the right icing so he could write those things himself.

"Pro-LGBT Colorado baker slapped with religious discrimination complaint", Out Front, Jan. 14 http://outfrontonline.com/news/pro-lgbt-baker-slapped-religious-dis...

One commenter there suggested that they post a sign in their store: "Inscriptions that are deemed offensive or are deemed hate speech will be surcharged 100% with the appropriate charge being donated an offended charity."

Another commenter: "I was just in the bakery today and two local news crews were filming reports. Google the story and it has gone international. They’re getting a tidal wave of support, and in this normally slow season business has picked up remarkably. Marjorie said many Christians have called and emailed their support. The religious nut seeking to harass Azucar has actually given them a boost in business."

Comment by Daniel W yesterday

Sorry to hear of the loss.

Comment by sk8eycat on Monday

I just got an email from another ex-skater...Canadian medalist and innovator (and painter). Toller Cranston died yesterday of an apparent heart attack.  Damn.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/legendary-canadia...

Comment by sk8eycat on Monday

Daniel, when I was a kid there were candy alphabet sets that were sold next to the cake mixes and stuff....they were inexpensive, you could buy several sets, and write a book on top of a sheet cake if you were so inclined.  I wonder if they still sell those.  You can also buy tubes of colored gel for writing on cakes, or make your own decorating tubes out of plastic bags.  I'm not the most artistic person in the world, can't do roses, but I did teach myself basic cake decorating when I was about 11 years old....  If I can do it anyone can!  (There are also stencils for airbrushing designs and lettering...BFD.)

I found the cakewrecks site....couldn't believe the misshapen messes....

Joan, I found Vivian and Nonie's story very touching, but also felt sad that they had to wait so long (and in hiding) to marry. 

I have a couple of friends who have been together for almost 50 years....20 years ago they paid an attorney a small fortune to set up an unbreakable "domestic partnership" for them, that was all that was available at the time. Too many of their friends had died of AIDS, and the families had been able to break simple wills.  Easily.  One couple that I knew, too, had a profitable business together along with the relationship.  The surviving partner was left with NOTHING....except his clothes, and a car that was registered in his name only.  Losing his lifelong love PLUS everything they'd built together destroyed him.

Comment by Joan Denoo on Monday

The news of Vivian Boyack and Nonie Dubes' marriage after 72 years together spread quickly. Davenport, Iowa.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/life/2014/09/16/iowa-lesbian...

Comment by Daniel W on Sunday
There's cakewrecks.com. I can't link right now.

The baker could do everything but the actual text. Maybe someone can invent a cake - printer, sort of like the dog tag machine at Petco, Type in your message snd it spits out a cake-o-gram
Comment by sk8eycat on Sunday

Not a bad idea....bake the cake, shape it, and do the basic icing, and give the customer everything they need to write whatever they want.  If they mess up, it's not the baker's fault.

I've seen some ugly stuff "created" by professional bakers on those silly-ass timed contests on Food Network before the whole thing became too disgusting.

There are no-talent nobodies in every field.....the TV is across the room behind me, and I can hear the brainless audience cheering a jump that barely got off the ice.

Gack!  I'm outta here.

Comment by Daniel W on Sunday
It seems obvious the guy is a provocateur. and probably a bully. And a complete ass. Is he making a valid point? Now that cakes are a means of publishing, like books, and blogs, anyone who limits free speech on a cake is in trouble. It is not the baker whose speech is up for debate here - it's the customer / author. I have wondered why it's OK to force bakers to write things on cakes, they don't beleive in, on their cakes.

I belong to a gardening website that restricts what people can say - no cursing, no racist speech, etc. I guess the website has rights that a baker doesn't have.

Can you force a baker to bake a cake with a picture if that prophet whose followers blow up people and buildings? Not the same thing?

Or maybe, they cant refuse a cake for a gay wedding, or a KKK rally, but they cant be forced to write a message.

Time to have a "Decorate your own damn cake" bakery?
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on Saturday

In a "Man bites dog" type reversal, a Denver baker has refused to bake a homophobic cake. There's speculation that this is a ploy by the bigots however. If a baker's right to deny this request holds sway, it would also support bakers' rights to deny service to anyone they disagree with.

http://religiondispatches.org/is-refusal-to-write-anti-gay-cake-mes...


Denver, Colorado can feel like an alternate universe for a lot of reasons, but now we can add a new one to the list. Because in the first such case of which I’m aware, a bakery in Denver has been sued for refusing to bake a homophobic cake. According to the reports, the plaintiff in the suit requested that the baker bake him a cake that said “God hates gays” along with a picture of two men holding hands with an X over them. When the baker—who identifies as Christian herself—refused, the plaintiff filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Division, accusing her of religious discrimination.


It’s a snappy inversion of the now-classic example of bakers who refuse to provide wedding cakes for gay marriage or commitment ceremonies (or florists who refuse to provide flowers, photographers who refuse to photograph the ceremony, etc.). And that’s probably not an accident; if I were a betting woman, I’d bet heavily that a pro-religious-exemption think tank or law firm, like the Becket Fund, had come up with this plan and recruited a plaintiff to set it in motion.

 

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