LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

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LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends

Nontheist lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people & friends.

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Comment by Chuck on August 18, 2008 at 12:22pm
Should we merge with the other group?
Comment by MariaDY on August 17, 2008 at 10:21pm
hi everyone it's great to be here, hope to meet others who just came out and are trying to leave religion behind
Comment by Michaela on August 4, 2008 at 9:58am
Hi Claire & Betsy - Thanks for adding me as a friend *hug* I didn't really mean to cause you a headache with my comment :) No one knows better than me that you can't please all the people all the time *grin*

Disclaimer *grin* the following remarks are not directed at Claire or Betsy :) I am speaking in general terms, not directly replying to anything you have said lol. I respect absolutely everything you have both had to say – These are just thoughts sparked by the general conversation. Lol.

I think I should have said a personal truth, rather than just truth at the end *grin* I realise that not only are there trans folk who do not see themselves as part of the queer community there are queer folk who do not see transsexuals as part of the community.

To me it's all a bit trivial - it's simple, if you don't fit society's narrow definition of normal - which is based both on gender & orientation - then you're bent, queer, gay, not straight. *grin*

Once again, speaking personally, I find it ironic that some people are forever wanting to split thinks up into smaller and smaller division and subdivisions, when surely the ultimate desire is that there be no separation between "us" [gay/queer/bent/whatever] and "them" [mainstream/straight/normal].

We are all just members of the species homo sapiens - every individual, a unique, beautiful, special entity - but at the same time we are all identical in our humanness, our right to be equal - in law, opportunity, rights , respect etc. :)

I suppose I feel about it exactly the way I feel about nationalism, culture, race and ethnicity - That is, celebrate the difference, revel in the diversity, they are beautiful things - but never should they become reasons for prejudice, bigotry, violence, war etc. After all, underneath we are all the same, just members of a species trying to get through our lives as happily as we can.

*grin* in my more jaded moment I have to wonder where homo’s bloody sapience has got it lol.
Comment by Claire Donnelly on August 1, 2008 at 5:17pm
Oh, PS, I chose "gay atheists" because I'm well aware that in the US it is GLBT and in the UK it's LGBT (and sometimes Q and or I) so I thought I'd cover all bases by putting things in the description so people could find it.

Incidentally the longest formal abbreviation I've ever seen used was:

LGBTQQIFF

Anyone seen any longer ones?
Comment by Claire Donnelly on August 1, 2008 at 5:14pm
Hello all,

I've been having a separate conversation with Betsy about this, but thought I'd put it on the wall as my computer decided to eat my last message, and besides it is probably worth saying here anyway.

I joined nexus, set up this group as I'd been through all the other groups that were set up at the time and there were no other similar groups set up at the time. The next day I went on my travels and haven't really checked back in since....what I'm getting at is I set up the group in a hurry!

Re-reading the group description it did read in a way that-completely unintentionally!- sounded excluding of trans people. I have had many conversations with trans friends along the theme of "we wish people would stop automatically adding a T on the end of gay groups when the two things aren't the same issue and there isn't anything for trans people there..."(obviously there are gay trans people too) so my clunky wording was an attempt not to conflate the two, rather than anything else. But it did look rubbish, thus I have changed it to something which I hope looks a bit more welcoming, but am still open to improvements if people would like to suggest anything!

Hope everyone is well,

Claire

PS Michaela (below), well, I would say it's however you define yourself, of course!
Comment by Michaela on July 26, 2008 at 12:53am
Hi Claire, I'd love to know how you define straight lol!

At which point in my transition am I what, and at what point do you say, that's my defined orientation. *grin*

As MtF, if I prefer sex with males am I queer when I start and straight when I finish? and if I prefer sex with women am I straight when I start and queer when I finish? *grin*

I have enough trouble with straight society without getting "put separately" within the family :)

I might add as a MtF transsexual woman that is primarily attracted to women, I already face strong discrimination from a section of the lesbian community that see it as some sort of devious heterosexual ploy to get into their pants! lol.

No doubt I'll probably hear from some now I've posted this :)

Love, Michaela - transitioning preoperative, lesbian transsexual woman - Oh, and I definitely think of myself as queer/gay/bent/not straight etc. etc.

*grin* please don't take this to heart - I'm not really criticising, it's just my attempt at a humorous truth lol.
Comment by Jack Carlson on July 21, 2008 at 11:20pm
I picked this one because;

1) "glbtqatheists" is too long a name and too all-inclusive. This group's like a sub-group of that one. How would you even pronounce that name?

2) "gaytheists" looks like a gay theist's group. It's a pun that only works when spoken.

3) "Gay Atheists", straight forward and easy to say.

OK, I'm just kidding. This was just the first one I saw. ;)
Comment by Goldfishflakes on July 20, 2008 at 9:07pm
I wish all of the gay groups here would merge (if possible), I do not like to have to participate in three or four groups concerning the same things.
Comment by Claire Donnelly on July 20, 2008 at 5:46am
Hey all, sorry I've not checked back in- been away and I still am, just checking my email on a friend's computer- I was sure that when I checked groups when I first signed up there were no gay atheist groups...maybe I didn't see them or they've been created since? Hmm.
Comment by warreno on July 19, 2008 at 5:09am
There seem to be three of us now:

1. This one
2. http://atheistnexus.org/group/glbtqatheists
3. http://atheistnexus.org/group/gaytheists

Huh. Cool!
 

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