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Comment by Phillip Borders on November 17, 2010 at 5:51pm
Thanks for all of the relationship comments. I guess I'll keep living my life as well as possible and see if I find that compatible person to further enrich my life.
Comment by James M. Martin on November 17, 2010 at 5:39pm
Religious Right Slams Gay-Tea Party Alliance

— By Stephanie Mencimer
| Tue Nov. 16, 2010 7:44 AM PST

Over the weekend, the conservative gay group GOProud co-authored a letter with some libertarian-leaning tea party activists calling on the GOP leadership in Congress to stay focused on the tea party's core fiscal issues, and not to go down the "rabbit hole" of divisive social issues like gay marriage and abortion. The move hasn't gone over too well with establishment evangelical groups, which have had an uneasy relationship with the burgeoning tea party movement from the beginning. I called the Family Research Council yesterday for a comment for a story I wrote on the issue, but never got a call back. Instead, FRC seems to have issued its response online, writing in its Washington update:

A group that had nothing to do with bringing the Republicans to power suddenly wants to dictate what the party does with it. GOProud, an aggressive pro-homosexual organization that desperately wants to be taken seriously by conservatives, is trying to force its way into the movement by persuading a small handful of tea partiers to sign on to a social truce for the 112th Congress...

FRC points out what we noted, which is that most tea partiers are firmly in the social conservative camp:

According to the latest data, an overwhelming number of Tea Partiers (almost two-thirds) believe abortion should be outlawed. About half believe in the Bible as the literal word of God, and most think that public officials don't pay nearly enough attention to it or religion as a whole. According to Zogby data, 82% of them oppose same-sex "marriage."

And the group sees a bit of hypocrisy in GOProud's call for Republicans to abandon social issues even as the group lobbies them for a repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't tell" and other expansions of gay rights. FRC takes this as a call for one-sided disarmament, which it soundly rejects:

For starters, that won't fly with the broader Tea Party movement which is solidly in the social conservative camp (see DeMint, Jim). Secondly, it's a losing strategy for America. We need to shrink the size of government, but America needs strong families. Those families—not GOProud's phony substitutes—are the backbone of society. Think about the welfare costs associated with the breakdown of social order. Think about the cost in terms of crime and the criminal justice system. What about the loss of human potential? Do these folks really think we can just eliminate those government expenditures overnight? What this crowd is advocating will lead to anarchy, which, ironically, would provide GOProud and friends a perfect environment for their lifestyle.

While the tea party movement may be in the beginning of an internecine battle to define itself as the movement of smaller government or one that also wades into fights over social issues, it's clear from the FRC blog today that the Republican Party is still engaged in a bit of a civil war. And that battle is likely to be fought not over any libertarian versus social issue focus, but over allegiances. Does the grand old party align itself with the new tea party activists (who are also socially conservative) or remain loyal to the old reliable foot-soldiers of the Religious Right embodied in the FRC? Keeping both camps happy is likely to be a Herculean political task, and at some point, the party is going to have to pick a side.
Comment by A Former Member on November 17, 2010 at 1:47pm
I'll employ you Richard. But you have to do exactly what I ask! : )
Comment by Richard Healy on November 17, 2010 at 1:45pm
I am not a professional writer I am professionally unemployed. Can't seem to convince anyone to employ me.
Comment by Dominic Florio on November 17, 2010 at 10:35am
A few comments on all of the relationship discussion:
I agree that we all should love ourselves and be our own best friend, but for most of us, biologically, pair bonding is a natural drive. I'm a complete person, but a relationship adds another dimension to my life.
Although I would like to find an atheist, it has never been a rule. What I have learned through the years, is that it never works with a very religious person. The reason is that they are hurt or resentful if they the atheist discusses his philosophy or concerns with religion, even if it is with someone else. Also, every person who claims to be a person of "faith" has their doubts. They become concerned when the atheist partner says something or lives his life in a way that reminds him of those doubts. They often hope and pray that you will convert.
Like all of us, since we live in the real world, we have family, friends, and lovers who are believers. I get along with all of them and we can playfully tease each other about our philosophies. But, this never works with someone who is dedicated to a church or religion. I had met someone who wanted to be with me so badly, he lied about being religious. He claimed that he was no longer involved with any church. I later found out that he was going to a gay Pentecostal church (one of the craziest of churches) and was praying for my conversion. He resented anything I or my family had to say about religion.
Anyway, I'm not looking for a clone of myself, but someone who compliments me and I, him.
I have nothing against "mixed marriages" but there can be added conflicts due to such differences. Think about it, an atheist and an evangelist, a progressive and a republican, or a man and a woman, how could that work? LOL
Comment by A Former Member on November 17, 2010 at 10:23am
What a beautiful guy.

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 17, 2010 at 8:48am
Jay, welcome. Thanks for joining in. Glad you got past the family trauma, it's hard. Hateful people don't deserve our continued respect and love. But we still miss them.
Richard, oops! I didn't realize deleted posts stayed in inbox! No harm done. Sometimes I say things then think, that's too much! I edit myself a lot, maybe I should edit on my laptop then copy and paste....
Off to work. Have a good day everyone.
Comment by Richard Healy on November 16, 2010 at 11:49pm
Well my in-box preserved your original (deleted) post - so I did read it in the end and I can understand something possibly about what you mean. And I mentioned it only becuase it - while it may not be wholly accurate solution, and I don't much find myself persuaded that it is - I do think it's a good stop-check to getting too wound up in yourself.

By way of a random for instance, I see a lot of profiles on those dating websites that make people sound so miserable!

I've gone for eccentric, I suppose, but I did that after reading through other people's profiles and noting what I thought worked and didn't. I'm happy doing my things (more or less) and this is them.

One of my favourite profiles on OKC is a guy I've now been chatting too for several weeks who is from Ireland which genuinely made me laugh out loud several times. Any dating profile which succeeds in not only cracking a smile but having the merit of being geuinely funny is one I'm likely going to come back to. I think it's a mark of the "kind" of thing my friend means when a dating profile is less about listing the specificities of the person you are seeking but stands by itself and draws you in:

"I am not tall dark and handsome, though I probably don't have rabies either."
Comment by Sentient Biped on November 16, 2010 at 11:35pm
Richard you keep tempting me, but the tickets are too expensive and anyway by the time I get through airport security my need for fondling will be sated. But not the kissing.....

It's all fine and good to love ourselves, but sitting in front of a toasty warm fire place with a glass of wine and myself and me, never was enough. Plus I'll accept a number of flaws and incompatibilities not to grow old alone. Not too many, but I can handle socks on the floor and having a night person in my morning person life.
Comment by Richard Healy on November 16, 2010 at 11:19pm
Marx, I agree - sort of - I've no real experience of this so cannot for definite say, however a friend has expressed a similar idea, only he terms it 'flowing' which is a bit romantic, but I get what he's driving at. He says when we flow inwards and focus on ourselves we turn our attention inward tends become negative and self-obsessed (do they like me?) depressive (no-one likes me why should they?) and 'paranoid' (They definitely don't like me). I'm caricaturing it, but he sees it a lot of closeted people on the web (I'm one of those) who arrive on support forums agonising over their emotions and why they'll never find a date or love and the world is against them. Now in some ways that is true (Americas bizarro-world crazy attitude towards gays/ courts / military is a fine an upstanding example of modern bigotry) but in a method reminiscent of that 'the power to change those thgins that I can and recognise those I cannot' deal - the solution to increased happiness and the curative to a loveless and destitute existence he says is to reverse the flow. So be less concerned with whether people will think you are kind, funny, loving etc and start *doing* kind, loving things, rather than sitting at home worrying about other people's perceptions. This has the benefits you might expect - it takes the focus of of you and projects it onto others (eg volunteering) or onto an activity IF you want to term it as a cause and effect you then stand a greater chance of being perceived as kind, funny, loving, when you are being kind, funny and loving you'll be around other people (from whence chance encounters and attractions can occur).

I think that kind of....attitude if I cna call it that dovetails rather nicely with what you were saying which is that if we think we need a partner to complete us (we are incomplete) or to be satisfied (we are unsatisfied) then this is the inward flow. The best friend, the one we can take care of, the happiness we can share is the outward flow when we focus our energies outward onto others and not wholly onto ourselves.

It's all a bit fluffy language for my tastes - BUT - I do appreciate the sentiment.
 

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