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Chrissie, what a wonderful life you have lived and yu made some tough choices. It must have been a challenge to decide to make such an important change in your life, even as you could not have known the hidden risks you were taking. What if you didn't like the choice you made? or What if you were unhappy with your new self? I respect your wisdom and courage to take on such a life's journey and now can describe your experiences first hand.
I am very happy you joined this group.
After living on both sides I think females, if done right can be wonderful and great fun. For me, this new life is much more rewarding than my previous life. Of course I was able to make a lot better income as male and now in retirement I don't have to be employed and I have a reasonable income so now is a wonderful fun time. To go back to male would for me be worse than death.
Of course I was never interested in the so called male fun things to do and always longed for those things that we as females get involved in. I can now be a doll collector out in the open and have a house full of them. I play Bunko in a lesbian group and several other female groups so females do have more fun but that is only my opinion.
Felaine, of course I remember the WASPs but not the vivid remembrance of Dorothy Britt Mann by her daughter. Those were interesting times, indeed, and many changes came out of those experiences of women doing men's work when the men were at war, and then returning to women's work at lower pay, power and prestige.
Chrissie, love your story and how you can use your femaleness to make your point. I am just a wee bit curious, do women have more fun than men?
"a woman’s place is every place."
Next March I will be attending the reunion of Air Force Pilot Training Class 55 India. In the early 50s there were no female pilots. As I have been female for a number of years now and pass so well this is going to be fun to show and say no, I am not one of the wives I am one of the pilots. I have the history and now days I just love walking into a male dominated area with full rights to be there but as a woman. Then when one of them challenges me I let it be known I also served as an officer in several African and Arabian Armed Forces something that most of them didn't have the balls for. I just love rocking the boat and I am still having fun in my 80s.
The WASPs were a wonderful bunch and they as well as the Rosy the Riveters were really dumped on when it was over. I lived near the Navy Yard in Wash. DC and saw how so many ladies in my neighborhood were just told "Go home and don't come back, you are no longer needed"
Joan, about "women's work" and WW2...do you remember the WASPs, the women who piloted planes from the manufacturers to the delivery points? When the war ended they were all let go with no severance pay. Many even had to pay their own bus fare back to their home towns.
KONA, HI ~ If you haven’t heard of the WASP, or Women Airforce Service Pilots, it’s because 65 years ago these brave women who flew non-combat missions for the U. S. Army were unceremoniously disbanded so that male pilots could have their jobs.
In one of his large compensatory gestures, President Obama signed S. 614 last week, a bill awarding my mother and 1,101 other pioneering women the Congressional Gold Medal of Honor for their service during World War II. It soothed an old sting that the WASP and their families could not forget.
And despite the sting, these creative, powerful women broke the glass ceiling anyway, long before Hilary Clinton was even born.
In fact, they soared through the glass ceiling. They crossed the fickle line of social and professional customs which had tried to keep women “in their place,” certainly on the ground. But my Mom, Dorothy Britt Mann, together with her WASP comrades, knew a woman’s place is every place.
Grinning Cat, you wrote, "for a fossil-fuel-free future, somehow we need to frame supporters of the fossil fuel industries as not just fossils themselves -- people think of fossils as harmless ancient artifacts -- but toxic fossils!
By framing, I assume you mean redefine how it is that we perceive supporters of the fossil fuel industries.
OK, I am open to ideas, let's have a go at this. What do you suggest?
Carl, thanks for the great story of Jessica Velez and her ability to set goals and reach them, even if they are not gender assigned. I love her spunk and the energy of her self-competence in the radio interview.
Would it not be nice to have little boys and little girls follow their interests from their first day in school? The Community College where I taught had a mission statement that stated students would learn sex-appropriate behaviors. In reality, I trained women to find the jobs they wanted and career paths that fit their personalities and provided living wages. Many of my students became long-haul truck drivers, carpenters, electricians.
Some of the war stories they told when they returned to speak to the students who followed them amazed us. For example, one woman got a job as a truck driver. When she stopped for a potty break at a honey bucket, some male truck drivers tipped the bucket over on its door side so she couldn't get out. Another woman who went to work at Kaiser Rolling Mill was shoved into a locker with some rags soaked in acid. These, and other stories of harassment were not uncommon in those days. Some very expensive litigation finely caught the attention of the owners and shareholders and such outrageous behavior ended.
I know I have told you this story before, but one woman hired as a truck driver of one of those trucks with tires taller than she was had a terrible time with harassment until, by accident, she ran over he state examiner's pick up and smashed it into a pancake. Her co-workers saw her as an asset from that day forward.
These stories are nothing compared to the Rosie the Riveter stories of WW II.
I have to add that during WW II, my mother and aunts all had jobs at Kaiser Rolling Mill during the war. They made good wages, had good benefits, and were able to support our families while our fathers were gone. After the war, all the women received "pink slips" and could not get any jobs there that paid living wages. The returning men replaced the women.
That is a great story about Jessica Velez, who aspires to be a Navy SEAL!
And Joan, for a fossil-fuel-free future, somehow we need to frame supporters of the fossil fuel industries as not just fossils themselves -- people think of fossils as harmless ancient artifacts -- but toxic fossils!
This is such a great story about a local Chicago high school student who played on her school's football team, was crowned prom king, and will now be attending the U.S. Naval Academy.
The article doesn't mention or imply her sexuality, but that doesn't matter. I think the important point to take away from this story is that if society and parents would allow children to pursue who they truly are, without shoving them into specific gender roles, they will prosper.
These are good things, indeed. More diversity in our Judicial system has the potential to put USA on a healthier tack. Now, if we could only get the Legislative branch members off their knees and doing the work of legislating, we could have some hope.
Of course, the Executive branch needs a strong, progressive, with a vision of a fossil fuel free future. Oh there we have a new motto Power to the 4th dimension: fossil fuel free future! Try to say that fast four time.
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