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Comment by Terry Groff on February 12, 2012 at 9:17pm

I joined this group partly because my Twitter name is @FreedonFrom_ :-)

Comment by Carl Pastor on February 12, 2012 at 11:18am

the japanese system works in a way. its not perfect. good hospitals and doctors have waiting lists. i waited a couple months to have my leg fixed so i cud walk (with Crutches) again, but my excellent doctor did a great job. and i only had to pay for my private room, because i live in kyoto which since im disabled, the local gov pays the share i wud have to pay under the national health care plan. 

ive also seen health care in  the usa. while the surgeons may be better, in general,  you and the drs and the hospitals have to deal with the insurance companys. these companys are evil.

Comment by James M. Martin on February 12, 2012 at 9:49am

Agree, Carl.  My friend in B.C. has had stomach cancer surgery and a hip replacement (she's in her 70s) and she cannot understand why some Americans are complaining about socialized medicine, as she had no waits and trouble getting her procedures.  I have waited for hours in some of our doctors on this side of the border, and the only reason I have no trouble getting into surgery is that the hospitals have to keep the assembly line going; that's how they make their money.  Some of it is going to the Castel Gandolfo Vatican Bank, of course.

Comment by Carl Pastor on February 12, 2012 at 12:51am

well i tell u james. i wish i lived in a world in which politicians did want they were elected to do and i never heard "What he reallt wanted was".  canadas system seems to be pretty good, im for a 100% copy.

Comment by James M. Martin on February 11, 2012 at 3:01pm

@ Carl, If he opted out of public option it was only to win over Blue Dogs and a few conservatives who didn't want more millions added to eligibility and foreclosure of the option to not sign up those with pre-existing conditions.  What he really wanted was a single pay system similar to Britain and Canada, France and Germany, the Scandinavian countries, &c. ad infinitum, i.e. "European socialism."

Comment by James M. Martin on February 11, 2012 at 2:55pm

@Tim: Not so fast!  Although it was assumed that the insurance companies would be gladdened at the prospect of much less expensive contraception than carrying to term and giving birth, they already are quibbling about the added expense.

Comment by James M. Martin on February 11, 2012 at 9:13am

Ted, I keep reminding the religious right that they should recall what happened to the Papists after the fall of the Bastille: at the initiation of Madame La Guillotine (her coming out, you might say), religionists were the first to meet "The National Razor."  If we have a religious revolution in America, the pedophile priests will be put to the slicer, their cocksucker heads separated from their bodies, their hooded executioner conferring his benediction, "This is the final separation of church and state."

Comment by James M. Martin on February 11, 2012 at 9:04am

Troy, may I make a suggestion: the degree of narrow-mindedness and anti-humanness a religions sect, the greater the persecution complex.  I do not see all that many mainstream (Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, &c.) sects joining in the "put upon" claims of the religious right, and it may be explained by the fact that these groups tend to accept the wall of separation.  Southern Baptists and evangelicals of all stripes are the main culprits.  Sadly, the recent online debate between Sam Harris and Andrew Sullivan on the proposition that "sane" or mainstream religionists enable the loonies like evangelicals did not get nationwide attention.  I would pay good money to see the two of them on stage for a couple of hours.  Why not?

Comment by James M. Martin on February 11, 2012 at 8:54am

David W, what "they" (I must imagine you mean the believers and their vocal element) do not understand is that the First Amendment not only prohibits the establishment of a state religion, it prohibits discrimination against those who do not believe at all.  The most absurd thing I read during the entire contraception flap was an editorial in the Washington Post (of all places) by some woman who claimed that the Obama Administration showed favoritism toward secularism, which she actually characterized as "a religion."  The last time I looked, secularists are non-religions.  I would suggest that the primary tenet of a religion is belief, that something cannot be called a "religion" unless it requires belief in a deity or deities.  The phrase, "Church of No God" is oxymoronic in the extreme.

Comment by Carl Pastor on February 10, 2012 at 11:21pm

i thot the pres opted out of public option, removing any chance of us keeping the insurance coimpanys honest.

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