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Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, based in Madison, Wis., is a national association of freethinkers (atheists, agnostics) that has been working since 1978 to keep church and state separate.

Website: http://ffrf.org
Location: Madison
Members: 675
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Human soul

Started by Lemual Poot. Last reply by Tim Otheus on Tuesday. 27 Replies

I've heard many so called atheists refer to the "soul" as if it actually existed.  My question is:  If you believe humans have a soul are you really an atheist? Continue

Atheism VS Islam

Started by Uzeal Eternal. Last reply by Sameer Dec 29, 2014. 6 Replies

Atheist Guy together with Muslim Girl = Clash of the Titans.....who wins?Continue

Be it enacted by citizens of United States of America, three citizens be designated as true patriots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jun 3, 2014. 2 Replies

Whereas, Olivia McConnell, Eight-year-old, wrote her South Carolina state representatives; and Whereas, Olivia provided a legitimate reason to suggest this legislation:1. One of the first discoveries…Continue

Possession and Exorcism

Started by Philip Jarrett. Last reply by Liz E Nov 18, 2013. 10 Replies

I am beginning to realize I may not have time to complete all the different ideas floating around in my head.  I do a little here, a little there...blog posts and comments...but I can't see myself…Continue

Tags: Possession, Demons, Deliverance, Holiness, Pentecostal

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Comment by Natalie A Sera on December 15, 2011 at 11:46pm

You nailed it, Joan. Wife-beating and slavery were traditional for millennia, too, but that doesn't make them acceptable, either!

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 15, 2011 at 9:29pm

Nativity scenes on the lawns or in the parking lots of churches suit me just fine.  Some are interesting, others are funny, some evocative and others are just plain trashy.  The same for such scenes on lawns or at homes of Christians ... or whoever is so inclined.  There are some lovely people in my neighborhood who are devout in their faiths and beliefs and they like to display in celebration of their traditions.  Fine!

To put them in public parks or on public lands or on public schools grounds or inside is not appropriate. I don't want to see other religions displayed on public property as well.  Let's use a little judgement here folks.  Just because you have done if for years or decades or centuries does not make it acceptable.  

Comment by Steph S. on December 15, 2011 at 6:02pm

Thanks David for the link to that article.

Comment by Earther on December 15, 2011 at 5:59pm

Natalie, I too do not do holiday art projects.  I feel very sublime for those who are absorbed in the massive heritage of song, decoration, and tradition toward a religion we do not belong to.

Comment by David W on December 15, 2011 at 1:25pm
Comment by Natalie A Sera on December 10, 2011 at 12:46pm

Of course, Earther. I was a teacher for 23 years, but not in the performing arts, so I was able to avoid that pressure. I never made a fuss about Christmas or Easter or any holidays, and I'm sure I wasn't popular with the administration for it, but so be it -- I survived.

Comment by Earther on December 10, 2011 at 7:50am

Natalie, the public pressures the teachers to have there children participate in themed music or art.  It makes planning a show very difficult for theists and atheists.  The public knows teachers must perform so they pressure them to perform their way.  Peer pressure is a powerful strategy.  Instead of blaming a teacher though it may be better to be supportive and lead an effort to take on the establishments.  Change laws that help shelter students and teachers from disrespect. 

Comment by Natalie A Sera on December 9, 2011 at 8:34pm

Thanks, Sk8ey! I think Irving Berlin wrote White Christmas, too. And you're right about doing it for money -- all throughout Christian history, once the Church became powerful and rich enough to commission religious art, it has been spending a lot of money on it. And as the Church became less influential, there was still the commercial market -- rich patrons, and eventually radio and TV and recordings and Muzak. I STILL hate the fact that children HAVE to sing Christmas music, even if "secular", in school "Winter" concerts every single year when there is such a wealth of OTHER music they could be exploring! I do believe in taking care of the poor and disabled, and peace and all that other good stuff, by why do we only concentrate on it during the Christmas season when we really need to be focusing on it all year, every year?

Comment by Earther on December 9, 2011 at 7:49pm

Gestalt psychology or gestaltism (German: Gestalt - "essence or shape of an entity's complete form") is a theory of mind and brain of the Berlin School; the operational principle of gestalt psychology is that the brain is holistic, parallel, and analog, with self-organizing tendencies. Gestalt psychologists stipulate that perception is the product of complex interactions among various stimuli. Contrary to the behaviouralist approach to understanding the elements of cognitive processes, gestalt psychologists sought to understand their organization (Carlson and Heth, 2010). The gestalt effect is the form-generating capability of our senses, particularly with respect to the visual recognition of figures and whole forms instead of just a collection of simple lines and curves. In psychology, gestaltism is often opposed to structuralism. The phrase "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts" is often used when explaining gestalt theory.[1] Gestalt theory allows for the break up of elements from the whole situation into what it really is. [2]

Comment by James M. Martin on December 9, 2011 at 7:38pm

Bread Jesus is as common as Elvis sightings. I think it is symbolic of the way they place faith in God, they want so badly for it to be true, they erect bridges from rationality to fantasy.  Their employment of presentism is alarming: pretending that 6,000 year old laws should apply to 21st century behavior now that science has explained it all for us, e.g. the desert warlord rebbi thought J*H*V*H* put the worms in the pork, so pork must be a no no.  It is the same with their brainless "historians," who use "their Creator" in the Declaration of Independence to signify the Judeo-Christian God rather than the once and never again god of the Deist authors.

 

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