Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)


Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, based in Madison, Wis., is a national association of freethinkers (atheists, agnostics) that has been working since 1978 to keep church and state separate.

Location: Madison
Members: 670
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Discussion Forum

Human soul

Started by Lemual Poot. Last reply by Lemual Poot Jan 15. 15 Replies

I've heard many so called atheists refer to the "soul" as if it actually existed.  My question is:  If you believe humans have a soul are you really an atheist? Continue

Atheism VS Islam

Started by Uzeal Eternal. Last reply by Sameer Dec 29, 2014. 6 Replies

Atheist Guy together with Muslim Girl = Clash of the Titans.....who wins?Continue

Be it enacted by citizens of United States of America, three citizens be designated as true patriots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jun 3, 2014. 2 Replies

Whereas, Olivia McConnell, Eight-year-old, wrote her South Carolina state representatives; and Whereas, Olivia provided a legitimate reason to suggest this legislation:1. One of the first discoveries…Continue

Possession and Exorcism

Started by Philip Jarrett. Last reply by Liz E Nov 18, 2013. 10 Replies

I am beginning to realize I may not have time to complete all the different ideas floating around in my head.  I do a little here, a little posts and comments...but I can't see myself…Continue

Tags: Possession, Demons, Deliverance, Holiness, Pentecostal

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Comment by Natalie A Sera on December 9, 2011 at 8:34pm

Thanks, Sk8ey! I think Irving Berlin wrote White Christmas, too. And you're right about doing it for money -- all throughout Christian history, once the Church became powerful and rich enough to commission religious art, it has been spending a lot of money on it. And as the Church became less influential, there was still the commercial market -- rich patrons, and eventually radio and TV and recordings and Muzak. I STILL hate the fact that children HAVE to sing Christmas music, even if "secular", in school "Winter" concerts every single year when there is such a wealth of OTHER music they could be exploring! I do believe in taking care of the poor and disabled, and peace and all that other good stuff, by why do we only concentrate on it during the Christmas season when we really need to be focusing on it all year, every year?

Comment by Earther on December 9, 2011 at 7:49pm

Gestalt psychology or gestaltism (German: Gestalt - "essence or shape of an entity's complete form") is a theory of mind and brain of the Berlin School; the operational principle of gestalt psychology is that the brain is holistic, parallel, and analog, with self-organizing tendencies. Gestalt psychologists stipulate that perception is the product of complex interactions among various stimuli. Contrary to the behaviouralist approach to understanding the elements of cognitive processes, gestalt psychologists sought to understand their organization (Carlson and Heth, 2010). The gestalt effect is the form-generating capability of our senses, particularly with respect to the visual recognition of figures and whole forms instead of just a collection of simple lines and curves. In psychology, gestaltism is often opposed to structuralism. The phrase "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts" is often used when explaining gestalt theory.[1] Gestalt theory allows for the break up of elements from the whole situation into what it really is. [2]

Comment by James M. Martin on December 9, 2011 at 7:38pm

Bread Jesus is as common as Elvis sightings. I think it is symbolic of the way they place faith in God, they want so badly for it to be true, they erect bridges from rationality to fantasy.  Their employment of presentism is alarming: pretending that 6,000 year old laws should apply to 21st century behavior now that science has explained it all for us, e.g. the desert warlord rebbi thought J*H*V*H* put the worms in the pork, so pork must be a no no.  It is the same with their brainless "historians," who use "their Creator" in the Declaration of Independence to signify the Judeo-Christian God rather than the once and never again god of the Deist authors.

Comment by Regina Goodwin on December 9, 2011 at 7:06pm

Troy Gorsline - about 10 years ago, xtians was complaining about the backlash against them.  I told several xtians "if you cannot take what you dish out, don't give it."  Xtians do not know the meaning of the word RESPECT.

Comment by Regina Goodwin on December 9, 2011 at 7:02pm

Mriana, xtians worship a piece of toast if it had a certain pattern in it.  Remember several years ago there was a window in a office building in Florida and Catholics claimed that it was in the shape of the virgin mary and they made a pilgrimage to the building and started worshiping the image.

Comment by Regina Goodwin on December 9, 2011 at 6:58pm

@Peggy Henderson - someone from the Nation of Islam told me about the text on xmas trees in Jeremiah.  I never heard it in church.  I have not put up a tree since I was 9 y.o.  A friend of my late mother tried her best to get me to put up a tree and I finally told her to shove it and damn a xmas tree.

She finally backed off. 

Comment by James M. Martin on December 9, 2011 at 6:51pm

I am told that Hector Berlioz was an atheist, although he grew in provincial surroundings where most were "village Catholic."  His father wanted him to go into the family business of doctoring, but he struggled on his on (they cut him off) and he had to compose a great choral work to win the Prix de Rome, where his friend Mendelsohn was a fellow.  I had my doubt about Berlioz being anything but religious until I realized that the "Fantastic Symphony" was inspired more by the Lyonnaise Satan who would be depicted by Huysmans in La-Bas.  And then I heard Berlioz's Requiem and I knew for sure: the man was a freethinking rationalist.  Doubt can be just as spine-tingling as belief is made out to be.

Comment by Steph S. on December 9, 2011 at 4:14pm

Dan Barker is the best! I just love his books!

Comment by sk8eycat on December 9, 2011 at 4:12pm

Natalie, "Gawd Bless Uhhhmare-eee-ca" was written by Irving Berlin.  He was a lifelong agnostic.

The celebrated composer of 1,500 popular songs wrote "God Bless America" as a show tune in 1918 for the musical " Yip, Yip Yaphank," but discarded it. He later revived and revised it when Kate Smith was looking for a peace anthem to sing in 1938.

If you remember the lyrics, it's NOT about's about America.

In Dan Barker's latest book, The GOOD Atheist, he lists an amazing number of atheist or agnostic composers and lyricists who wrote hymns, masses, and other "religious" music.  Mostly because they needed the money!  The same reason there are non-believers preaching sermons and leading prayers every Sunday all over this country; they have families they need to support, and they have no other marketable skills.

PS: I lived the first 5 years of my life on The Strand in Hermosa Beach.  I remember it vividly, and feel kinda panicky when I get too far from an ocean.

Comment by Steph S. on December 9, 2011 at 2:19pm
Sk8eycat I think "gag me with a spoon" as well.

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