Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)

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Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, based in Madison, Wis., is a national association of freethinkers (atheists, agnostics) that has been working since 1978 to keep church and state separate.

Website: http://ffrf.org
Location: Madison
Members: 669
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Comment by sk8eycat on December 16, 2011 at 6:33pm

The reason I suggested sending an email with details about this teacher to FFRF's legal staff is that if they take up the "case" you may remain anonymous, if you wish.  And their Legal Fund will pick up the tab. If any.

They often solve problems of this type without actually going to court because most school boards have attorneys who have some knowledge of precedents regarding First Amendment law, and they usually advise the schools to abide by your wishes...ie: tell the teacher to knock it off.

 a) Any school employee speaking as an authority during class time is required to be religion-neutral.  Freedom of Speech doesn't enter into it.  And b) In 99.9% of similar cases, when schools have chosen to fight, the Defendants have LOST. It's expensive...for them, and most school districts don't have the money to spare.

It may take several letters, and the school district may not do anything right away, but YNK (You Never Know). 

Sounds like this guy would be better off teaching in a private evangelical school.

 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 16, 2011 at 4:57pm

What's wrong with Economics? Professor Steve Keen explains - 16 Nov 2011

http://youtu.be/_TMp-sXyJW4

Comment by David W on December 16, 2011 at 3:52pm

Troy, sk8eycat, and earther:

We already had an incident with the district last year for their gross negligence regarding his adhd and minor hearing deficits. That required an attorney.

I'm definitely monitoring the situation. We have meetings with the administration and his teachers every few months, so I may bring it up then. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 16, 2011 at 3:39pm

Religious thought underlies our present political system and has become so distorted, and the extreme right wing fundamentalists have gained so many adherents, there is very great need for a rethinking of our values, policies and practices.

Steve Keen, although a capitalist, is definitely opposed to present political trends.

He demonstrates debt, intentionally enabled by financial institutions, is creating the conditions of collapse. Just as fractals were virtually impossible to demonstrate until computers came on scene, financial principles are virtually impossible to understand without computers revealing trends, patterns, risks, benefactors and losers in the system.

Capitalism, long known for fundamental flaws of booms and busts, can now be demonstrated as cause of these erratic patterns.

Flowcharts and systems thinking clearly reveal the flaws.

I urge you to take a serious look at Keen's ideas.

Religion has not only bound us to flaws of thinking, capitalism, under the influence fundamentalist, has betrayed us.

Keen's Debtwatch:

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/

 

The Naked Emperor Dethroned:

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2011/12/05/inet-interview/

 

Comment by Earther on December 16, 2011 at 3:33pm

David, sk8eycat is absolutely correct.  You may even want to set up a time with the principal that you can actually sit in the class with your child as the lesson is being taught.  All you have to do is sit their quietly.  As you leave the class you tell the teacher, thank you for allowing me to join your class, I may be in again soon. ;)

Comment by sk8eycat on December 16, 2011 at 11:52am

David, contact FFRF's legal team NOW! They can write a letter of complaint to the principal of the school (keeping your family's name anonymous), and if that doesn't work, the next step is to complain to the local school board, threatening a lawsuit.  That's usually all it takes.  They remind the offenders of Supreme Court cases in which the plaintiffs have won on these issues, and also of the fact that in a civil lawsuit the loser has to pay the legal fees for both sides.

If your son's teacher was discussing and comparing all the world's major religions in a cultural context, it might be a different matter, but if he's talking about YHWH as He Who Must Be Obeyed, it's definitely a constitutional  violation.

Comment by Troy Gorsline on December 16, 2011 at 9:28am

That is a really tough spot in regards to your son. There is a fellow SWiFT member who is having issues as her sons are excited to attend a class camping trip. The facility this trip is using openly advertizes its teachings of creationism to youth before they learn of evolution. The goal is to make evolution seem strange to kids, thus pushing creationism in public schools. I believe FFRF is involved, but I am unsure what results can be acheived. The whole thing is very subtle. I agree, this teacher should not be doing this. Can you imagine the reaction if a Muslim teacher starting making comments and discussions on Ala (sp?) and Muhamed?

It would be a sight. Fox News would get involved for sure.

And I am sure it would be the President's fault... somehow.

Comment by David W on December 16, 2011 at 9:18am

My 8 year old son came home from public school talking about god and Jesus. I explained that certain things regarding that are illegal. He told his teacher what I said. His teacher is very xtain. Everyday for the last week he tells me, "we talked about god again." He doesn't go in to details, but I told him if any grown up at his school ever tells any student to pray, to walk out of class, go to the office, and call me. I don't want to make things hard for my child at school, but what in the hell am I to do? 

On a different note: I was extremely proud when I started to give an example of natural selection and he finished it for me. 

Comment by David W on December 16, 2011 at 8:54am

Regarding the death of Hitchens. That's ok, The Grand Wizard of hate and bigotry Pat Robertson will soon be gone.

Comment by David W on December 16, 2011 at 8:02am

Tim Tebow Tribute

ESPN interview with one of them

 

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