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Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, based in Madison, Wis., is a national association of freethinkers (atheists, agnostics) that has been working since 1978 to keep church and state separate.

Location: Madison
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Comment by David W on December 20, 2011 at 10:54am

For anyone interested....

Here is what my son was working on at school. I scanned these and cropped them. The other side of each page had a small scene which he colored (poorly) with crayons.

Not exactly an objective view, but I learned a little culture at least.

I've never heard of Black Pete

Comment by SILVIA SC on December 19, 2011 at 9:27pm

Farther42. The "suggestions" you mention are a lot more common than you think. I recently retired as a teacher (NYC) and I have witnessed more than one pedagogue attempting to influence the students about Christianity.

Comment by James M. Martin on December 19, 2011 at 8:50pm

I understand that, Earther, but I don't have to like it.

Comment by Earther on December 19, 2011 at 8:36pm

James,  Even though religion is not supposed to be taught in school if a teacher is a strict believer they inevitably get away with a suggestion of this or that.  Why, becuase of the world we live in.  We are still a minority and the masses have the ability to bully.

Comment by sk8eycat on December 19, 2011 at 1:21pm

Uh, African lions, or Detroit Lions?

(Sorry. I'm feeling snarky this morning. Must be the weather.)

Comment by Regina Goodwin on December 19, 2011 at 10:54am

Bring on the lions.

Comment by James M. Martin on December 17, 2011 at 9:22am

What I meant was that any grade school teacher has no business "teaching" religion of any kind.  Religion may be required at a church subsidized college or university (in my own case, TCU, thank God!, as it was there that I learned "comparative religion"), or offered as an elective even in an institution receiving government monies (my grad school, UCLA).  But grade school classrooms should be devoid of all religion with a couple of major exceptions: one, mythology, e.g. in a literature class; two, history, since a study of history teaches that theological differences have fueled many if not most wars since earliest times.  Beyond that, I would say that the teacher should be reported, protested, and stopped, e.g. with legal action.

Comment by David W on December 17, 2011 at 7:51am

James and sk8eycat:

I cannot conclude that his teacher is actually teaching Christianity  or merely objectively pointing out the association Christmas currently has with the celebration of the so-called birthday of a so-called religious figure.

I'm going off what my son has said, but given his personality (like my own) he isn't fond of being interrogated about his school day so I can tell when he starts to just answer 'yes' to the questions I ask just to get me to stop asking. 

As I said before, I told him to immediately go to the office and call me if any adult at his school asks him to pray or demands that he say 'god' or 'Jesus.' He would not be afraid to do this. He is strong willed. He has already told his teacher that talking about god is illegal, or so he says, so she knows we are aware what may be happening in the classroom.

I also told him not to say 'god' in the pledge and if any adult gave him lip about it, to tell me.

It is a public school. He is 8 and in second grade. 

If I hear that his teacher, who is female (I point that out just for proper pronoun use), is actually teaching Christianity, then we will meet with the school. If they defend it in any way, it will be time to party and I will be turning to the FFRF. 

I joined FRFF yesterday.

Comment by James M. Martin on December 16, 2011 at 11:59pm

@David: You mean teachers are allowed to discuss religion? Is it a private school?  Even if it is, does it get any public monies?  This should not be legal.

Comment by sk8eycat on December 16, 2011 at 6:33pm

The reason I suggested sending an email with details about this teacher to FFRF's legal staff is that if they take up the "case" you may remain anonymous, if you wish.  And their Legal Fund will pick up the tab. If any.

They often solve problems of this type without actually going to court because most school boards have attorneys who have some knowledge of precedents regarding First Amendment law, and they usually advise the schools to abide by your tell the teacher to knock it off.

 a) Any school employee speaking as an authority during class time is required to be religion-neutral.  Freedom of Speech doesn't enter into it.  And b) In 99.9% of similar cases, when schools have chosen to fight, the Defendants have LOST. It's expensive...for them, and most school districts don't have the money to spare.

It may take several letters, and the school district may not do anything right away, but YNK (You Never Know). 

Sounds like this guy would be better off teaching in a private evangelical school.



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