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What you describe is "off-topic posting"...not trolling. Trolls purposely post outrageous inflammatory material to get people riled up. These discussions went off topic, mostly becasue the only people who stayed in the thread wnted to discuss the off topic subject. If anyone WANTED to continue the original discussion they could have. You are supposing that the off-topic posters had some sort of power to stop everyone else from posting. But they can't do that. I post on Newsvine all the time and there are side discussions and threads often go off-topic once the origianl topic has been abandoned.
I think you are inventing a "problem" that doesn't really exist.
Only one of the people involved in the discussion wasn't a feminist. I was only on his side because the two feminists were arguing very dishonestly. If my own faction is doing wrong, I oppose them in it. It's called cleaning up your own back yard.
As atheists, we run into the same thing with the emotional "atheists" who are mad at God and aren't really atheists. We teach them skepticism and turn them into good atheists.
Donna, if you regularly went to the group and read the posts instead of getting only topic headings in your email would see the following.
After eight on topic posts (3 by women), an off topic post was made and the balance of the discussion stayed off topic because the troll kept posting about it.
Feds under counting rape victims:
Men dominated this discussion ( 38 posts as opposed to 3 by women). Two trolls dominated the discussion by complaining about a dispute over an irrelevant statistic from another topic.
The topic was completely derailed by two trolls (the usual suspects) over an insignificant statistical difference. They were outraged that the originator of the topic said 2% instead of 6% of convicted rapists ever see prison.
The salary gap between men and women for similar work:
Derailing the topic because one troll didn't like how the originator expressed the size of the pay gap - percentage instead of actual dollars.
A second troll denied there is any gap at all based on studies of a superficial nature. The studies document that women work fewer hours and take time off without acknowledging the reasons women are forced to do this, the by and large refusal of men to do child, elder care, and the rest of the work women stereotypically do. I know there are exceptions, we are talking about the common division of labor between genders.
Some random quotes by trolls
Feminist organizations have turned their efforts towards preserving those area of society where they receive special benefits, and denying equality for men in areas where men are victims of discrimination. To achieve these goals, they are prepared to lie and violate what Western society considers basic civil rights. You've seen the lying and the slander on this forum. You've seen the demonizing of those who do not believe the Feminist Mythology.
I do oppose feminism.
You should be truly ashamed of yourself for fabricating and perpetuating such obviously false statements regarding such a serious subject. asharu, if you find yourself having to lie in order to support your opinions, then it is time for you to abandon those opinions. (Ad hominem not allowed by the rules and guidelines)
I have to fall back on the fact that I frequently see cases in the news where a woman has falsely accused a man of rape or sexual assault. (topic was feds under counting rape victims)
It's not an obsession with percentages. If anything, that statement describes the initial post that started this whole mess. What Bruce was objecting to from the word go was a grotesque misuse of the statistics that were presented. (2% vs 6%?)
There is a general argumentative tone from these trolls and a willingness to derail over petty, insignificant, and irrelevant details.
These are specific instances where men posting have made trouble. Please bear in mind that this is a forum to discuss feminist perspective on atheism.
What is wrong with men posting in a Feminist forum?? Many men ARE feminists. And others can learn a lot from discussing the issues. Womna aren't "being silenced" if we CHOOSE not to post in an open forum discussion. Maybe the men were just more interested in those topics. Is there a specific thread where the male posters actually made trouble?
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