Ex-Wiccans and Pagans.

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Comment by Steph S. on December 25, 2011 at 3:50pm

Welcome to the new members!

Comment by Prog Rock Girl on November 15, 2011 at 8:23am

Interesting about the Dianic misandry, and also women's experiences might be more negative in paganism because of the cliquishness. I know that my wiccan group was completely controlled by "alpha females" and whoever was cute and flashy was followed without question.

 

Pantheism is allright I guess...it can be just a way of looking at things. Your definition of acceptance seems to be complete agreement, and that's hard to find anywhere. I also wanted to believe. And wanted to feel special like all these people who said things like "I always knew I was different before I even knew there was a name for it". Now I have the feeling that everything has a rational explanation and I like this better than the confused cognitive dissonance I used to have when trying to make sense of several conflicting belief systems.

Comment by Steph S. on November 15, 2011 at 8:00am

Greetings SDF - I have Pagan and Wiccan friends and I have no problem accepting them. I accept you just the way you are - you don't have to believe or disbelieve a certain way for me to accept you. Nice to have you here.

Comment by SDF on November 15, 2011 at 7:35am

There doesn't seem to be much action going on here, but I'll put up my post.  I found it really difficult to push the join button to this sub-group.  Except for a little  bout with feminist Dianic misandry in the early nineties, I don't really have any negative memories or issues with Wicca and Paganism.  Even at my witchiest, I never really believed in the gods although I did and still do whole-heartedly love the archetypes.  I can be faithless and believe literally in the goddess and the god if they are literally mother earth and father sky/space.  I can literally worship Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Neptune and Pluto - and I do, as the planets that they are.

I have discovered through this site that I am a a Naturalistic Pantheist.  I am an atheist, full-blown, but I'm not skeptical enough to play reindeer games here, I've discovered.  It's sad.   As a Pagan, I felt acceptance and inclusion, but as an atheist without complete and merciless skepticism I'm not a full-ranking member of the little club.  I believe there are more powers to the mind than science can explain at this point.  While I firmly believe there are no gods, no heaven, no hell and no judgment, I'm not so convinced there's no possibility of ghosts, or some kind of reincarnation, (especially if not in the past but possible in the future through bionics)  Like Mulder in the "X Files"  I want to believe.  I love this stuff.  I miss out now that I'm getting more skeptical.  I never let a sage smudge or a crystal, or an aromatherapy oil keep me from seeing a doctor if I needed to, but I did those things as well, and they may have very well, being used that way, have been a good placebo that helped my mind heal me.  Now, I still love them, but doubt has replaced wonder and they're just pretty rocks and nice smells.

I still feel like I'd given up the harmful shit when I threw out Mormonism and Christianity and all "abrahamism" 32 years ago.  Having to give up the happy spirituality I'd retained since then sucks the big one and in some ways, actually, in a lot of ways I resent it.  But you can't go back.  I can't be the happy idiot in lieu of being educated but world-weary and alone.  And the thing that really sucks, is I can't be honest with my beliefs, and claim to not believe in any magick whatsoever.  I've seen improbable rainstorms happen during a raindance.  I've seen a murder of crows (murder is plural for crows - google it if you don't believe me!!) land inside of a circle of Wiccans in ritual.  I've felt the spirit of the mountain I was attempting to commune with in meditation.  I know, coincidence, coincidence, and what, indigestion, maybe?  Probably, but now I know I'll never experience or feel those things again, and the wonder and magick has been stripped from my life forever.  But I can't force myself to totally disbelieve them either, and because of that, the "atheist community" will never fully accept me.  

Comment by Steph S. on October 30, 2011 at 7:37pm

Anyone you know celebrating Samhain? I'm getting all sorts of Samhain greetings and cards.

Comment by Steph S. on September 27, 2011 at 8:48pm

I actually asked her what the tree said and she told me that they were in the introductory stage of their conversation.  : )

Comment by Prog Rock Girl on September 27, 2011 at 7:54pm

I remember some claims like that...what really took the cake was a girl and her mom who swore that babies could fly and nobody could see it because they didn't believe it. I mean one person can make any claim they want, but these whole conversations back and forth?

Comment by Diana Bett on September 27, 2011 at 7:24pm

One girl I know tells me that she converses with trees. They seem really nice though.

 

I had a friend tell me that he once sampled a home-made "absinthe wine" and spend the evening in conversation with the trees, who seemed quite happy that someone had stopped by to chat with them. 

Comment by Prog Rock Girl on September 27, 2011 at 1:15pm

More tolerant, except of Christianity that is. But it is the religious preference of a lot of people who bi, polyamorous, liberal, otherwise intelligent, so I do have some circles of friends who are pagan. Some of them I met when I was in my pagan experimentation. Others I ended up befriending despite their being pagan--it's not that I don't want to get to know someone just because they're pagan, but I do find it to be a turn-off.

Comment by Steph S. on September 27, 2011 at 12:51pm

I find their beliefs more fanciful. They seem more tolerant of others than christians. One girl I know tells me that she converses with trees. They seem really nice though. I find them easier to get along with than people I know who are Christians.

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