Well, let's look to see what the holy scriptures have to say about ethics and morals. Here is a list that Barbara Walker, author of Man Made God, pulled together:
KILLING. (As in "Thou shalt not"???)
The biblical god personally kills a total of 371,186 people, not counting his slaughter of every living thing in Genesis 7. The biblical god also orders the killing of a total of 1,862,265.
WAS JESUS ETHICAL?
Matt. 5:28-32 - Jesus says marriage to a divorcee is adultery; and a man who ogles a woman has already committed adultery; and that you must cut off your hand or pluck out your eye if it offends.
Matt. 6:19,34 - Jesus says don't save any money, and don't plan ahead.
Matt. 8:32 - Having no regard for private property, Jesus destroys a herd of someone else's pigs.
Matt. 10:34 - Jesus says he brings not peace on earth, but "a sword."
Matt. 19:12 - Jesus says the best way for a man to be sure of getting into heaven is to have himself castrated.
Mark 11:13 - Jesus destroys a fig tree belonging to someone else for not bearing figs out of season.
Mark 14:4-7 - Jesus says it is more important to anoint him with precious ointment than to give to the poor.
Luke 12:47,48 - Jesus says it is permissible to whip slaves.
Luke 14:26 - Jesus says no man can be his disciple unless he hates his parents, siblings, wife, children, and himself as well.
Luke 19:27 - Jesus says anyone who denies his rulership must be killed.
John 15:6 - Jesus says anyone who doesn't believe in him must be burned.
Acts 5:5-10 - Ananias and his wife Sapphira were killed for withholding money from the church.
2 John 1:10,11 - A Christian is forbidden to offer hospitality to a non-Christian, not even to wish him "Godspeed" on parting.
Wow - I sure do appreciate the discussion Joan - yes the bible has no morals or ethics at all. One only need to read it and find that out.
Take some time and put the Bible on your summer reading list. Try and stick with it cover to cover. Not because it teaches history; we've shown you it doesn't. Read it because you'll see for yourself what the Bible is all about. It sure isn't great literature. If it were published as fiction, no reviewer would give it a passing grade. There are some vivid scenes and some quotable phrases, but there's no plot, no structure, there's a tremendous amount of filler, and the characters are painfully one-dimensional. Whatever you do, don't read the Bible for a moral code: it advocates prejudice, cruelty, superstition, and murder. Read it because: we need more atheists — and nothin' will get you there faster than readin' the damn Bible.
"The Bible: Fact or Fiction?", Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, season 2 episode 6, Showtime, 6 May 2004
This is great. Do you have a Facebook or Twitter account? I would like to get this over into the public domain. May I list it there with attribution to you? If you don't want your name used I will use anonymous. I just want to be sure people know I am not the only one who writes such heresy.
Yes please use this information - you can attribute it to me.
Thanks. It went to Twitter and Facebook via AN with attribution to you ... and of course Penn and Teller! They are great.
When someone says that without god we can't have any morals it scares me. It makes me think that the only reason this person isn't a mass murderer, is because of a fairly tale they believe in. They are so insecure and feeble minded that they have no trust in themselves to do the right thing, that they need to be told how to act or they're lost.
Looking to someone else or something else outside of oneself for moral and ethical guidance is not a way to flourish as an individual.
Many people have said that if someone does "good" and refrains from "evil" because of the threat of supposed divine reward or punishment, that doesn't make them moral; it only shows they're looking out for themselves!
If it takes the threat of hell to make you a moral person, then you are not at all moral, you are just a coward who responds well to threats.
-- Leo Wolf
Nice...I'll remember that. Thanks