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Why Big Energy Took a Tip From Big Tobacco
Climate, Drought, and ISIS
Warming at the Top of the World
China’s Inconvenient Truth: Anti-Air Pollution Doc Goes Viral
Climate/Tobacco Denier Faces Fire at Texas A&M
Jimmy Kimmel: The Template for Skewering the Anti Science Movement
Music Break: Bel Canto “The Glassmaker”
30 Years of Warming with Dr. Ricky Rood
The Weekend Wonk: Angus Gillespie, Vice President for CO2, Shell
Climate Action’s Moral Majority
fossil fuel independence, energy independence. Separate these two issues. Oil is in well defined decline since 2000. Ladder for growth ...?
US energy policy with Gregor Macdonald
"Climate Instability: Who's in Control and Why Does it Matter?"
"Harvard Thinks Green 2"
What Climate Change Just Might Ruin
Thanks to Ruth Anthony-Gardner
"According to a 2011 U.S. Interior Department report, "annual flows in three prominent river basins - the Colorado, Rio Grande and San Joaquin - could decline by as much [as] 8 percent to 14 percent over the next four decades," reported the Associated Press. Expected changes in temperature and precipitation are likely to alter river flows 'with increased flooding possible in the winter due to early snowmelt and water shortages in the summer due to reductions in spring and summer runoffs.'
As our technology increases, so goes our "carrying capacity", which is why the word sustainable is no longer useful... carrying capacity is entirely dependent on economics and technology. It's why so many people are going vegetarian... the argument being... we'll need to feed more people so we need to become vegetarian! (along with a few other arguments of course). Spaniards are building vertical gardens, also increasing the Iberian peninsula's "carrying capacity". It is a value which is impossible to pinpoint. I come back to the number of humans must be in proportion to the numbers of large animals... any other standard is movable, flexible, cheatable.
TNT666, when I use the word "sustainable" I mean human beings living within the carrying capacity of our planet. No particular economic theory implied. I do agree with your sentiment that thinking breeding is a "right" is as ridiculous as the "right" to own slaves".
IMO the rational biological approach is best. Discounting large animal populations past their tipping point such as lions/tigers/rhinos/polar bears who's numbers are too small, we can still look at other large animal populations, certain whales, moose, deer. Looking at those other lifeforms populations truly puts our own ridiculous population into perspective.
1-Our governments/corporations subside population growth through baby programs and marriage incentives. Eliminating those two would put a good starting dent.
2-The next hurdle is harder to overcome: getting away from religious morals, which look onto breeding as the morally righteous thing to do. Most atheists on these sites are recent deconverts and still pursue religious values, even though they don't believe in gods. If convincing atheists of this is a challenge, it's 10-fold harder going after faithers.3- items 1 and 2 can only I reckon accomplish less than 30% of the breeding changes the planet needs. Whence enough people understand that us outnumbering all other large animals is ridiculous, then we need to enshrine it into culture, to make breeding extremely unpopular, and to have the sense that breeding is a "right" is simply ridiculous, as ridiculous as the "right" to own slaves. Once the "morality" of breeding has reached a tipping point, then we can legislate that away completely, and ensure that healthcare providers are freely doling out sterilisation, and encouraging it at all age groups. I wish for a day when only a very small percentage of the population partake of breeding, hopefully under some sort of lottery system that would ensure an reasonable level of fairness.
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