Eco-Logical: A Group for Environmentalists

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Eco-Logical: A Group for Environmentalists

Eco-Logical is a group for anyone who cares about clean air, drinkable water, a sustainable economy, and environmental justice.

Location: The Irreplaceable Earth
Members: 331
Latest Activity: 22 hours ago

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Methane, more scary than we thought

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner 22 hours ago. 29 Replies

Scorched Earth Coming

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 11. 6 Replies

How to save our future

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 9. 2 Replies

Good news

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jul 7. 27 Replies

Antarctica melting twice as fast

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 7. 1 Reply

Systemic Pesticides Underestimated

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 2. 1 Reply

Countries at most risk from Climate Change

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jun 22. 22 Replies

Sour oceans = more toxic phytoplankton

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jun 19. 0 Replies

Melt of West Antarctic Ice Sheet Unstoppable

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jun 10. 12 Replies

Another Positive Feedback we'd missed

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jun 8. 2 Replies

signs of climate tipping points

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner May 29. 24 Replies

Carbon Budget Is Now Zero

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner May 23. 0 Replies

Texas is turning into desert too

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner May 20. 0 Replies

East Antarctic Ice Sheet not so stable

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner May 9. 1 Reply

Seagrass decline worldwide

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 29. 1 Reply

Curvy jet stream has history

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 16. 0 Replies

Fracking emits methane

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 15. 20 Replies

Drought as Amazon tipping point

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 15. 1 Reply

Greener Jet Fuel

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by John Jubinsky Apr 11. 1 Reply

Transition to Era of Renewable Energy is a LIE

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Mar 28. 2 Replies

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Comment by Chris G on October 11, 2012 at 2:51pm

Two million people sounds too low for 2000 years ago.  Here's a UN chart showing 0.30 billion people in year 0. I saw estimates ranging from 170m to 300m.

Here's a paper saying the world can sustainably support between 1.5 and 2 b people at the world's average footprint. It continues with the sustainable level is the maximum number. It doesn't provide an optimum population number.

Comment by TNT666 on October 11, 2012 at 11:35am

During my time in university in biology, the number that was stated by population biologists was around 2 million for the entire planet, that would put us in balance with other species... that is, were the populations of other species at pre-Roman levels. With today's across the board extinction levels, even 2 million humans could be hard on the planet. From 7 billion 2 million, that's over 90% in population reduction. That's my aim in all conversations on this topic. The USA has a few cities which have died due to corporate changes. Downsizing a modern western city is a difficult process because we have only ever practiced GROWTH. If we start planning and practicing DE-growth, we'll get better at it. The single-child policy in China I don't consider a good option, socially speaking it causes competition between M and F births, causes widespread cheating unless the government police's it heavily. The Chinese people never did accept that policy in their minds. What we need is a total change in perspective. We need to decide on a number, and then sell it for all it's worth!

Comment by Chris G on October 11, 2012 at 4:34am

Before determining immigration policy an ideal population number should be identified. The U.S. doesn't teach pregnancy prevention in school and its STD prevention policies overseas is horrid. It appears that population policy is determined only by economic policy using the economic growth through consumption model. It's good input is sought for immigration policy based on population #'s and environmental impact. It would be better to implement a strategy rather than let nature take its course and wait for civilization collapse, or saturation to take care of it. As it is uncontrolled population growth (except in China) is the policy by default. The current world population level is beyond sustainability as evident by climate change and species collapse. Off the top I'd say the world population should be no higher than it was around 1900. Population control critics are as bad as Zionists who call any criticism of Israeli expansion anti-semitic by using equally inappropriate extremist name calling.

Comment by TNT666 on October 11, 2012 at 1:22am

Environmentalists need to get involved in the single largest cause of environmental degradation: H.sapiens population growth. Here in North America, we have the largest ecological footprint of any nation. Any child raised in N. America has a 10x larger eco-footprint than a child raised in the parts of Africa.
In a sense, in N.America, through education of females, we have achieved a nominal lowering of bird rates, at times to just a tad lower than the 2/female renewal rate. However governments have recognised this and simply compensate for us N.American females breeding less by getting third world females to immigrate. Newly arrived immigrants are the major force behind sustained breeding statistics.
Beyond social commentary, the largest consequence to constantly growing numbers of us large footprint N.Americans, is massive amounts of loss of habitat and species diversity. Most environmentalists are too politically correct to debate this topic, others are only environmentalist in the anthromorphic context, to eventually increase the H.sapiens population. But the only valid reason I see to be an environmentalist is to regain some degree of ecosystemic balance. In this context, immigration to large ecofootprint countries is a topic which we cannot afford to leave to chance.
Begin with this interesting article on Rewilding.org.

Comment by TNT666 on October 10, 2012 at 10:58pm

Yet another tipping point H. sapiens is crossing: Siberian Tiger Quest. One of the most beautiful and haunting video studies of these disappearing beauties of nature...
I don't know if this video is available online anywhere, I didn't find any, but watch on PBS television, keep an eye out for future showings.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on October 3, 2012 at 6:36pm

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on October 3, 2012 at 5:47pm

Comment by Grinning Cat on September 30, 2012 at 7:56pm

On a lighter note, this picture from the Secular Sexuality comments is apropos here as well:

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on September 30, 2012 at 5:36pm

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on September 30, 2012 at 4:07pm

 

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