Being a conservative atheist is a case of being a double minority; it kind of puts one on the wrong side of pretty much everything.
I've found it difficult to find anyplace where I fit in; obviously churches are out, as are virtually any groups among the artsy crowd (tough, because I'm an artist) and most social groups. The closest thing I've found is the local Republican supporters, most of whom are wonderful people, though I do have to remember to watch my step there and not disparage religion lest I get the cold shoulder.
I find myself wishing for the days before the political parties reached out to the fringe movements on either side in an effort to curry favor and get votes. (The Democrats embraced radical racial and other minority groups, and the Republicans did the same with religious zealots.)
Being single, it also makes dating hell. The liberal women don't want anything to do with me, and the few conservatives I can find are usually repelled by my lack of religion.
Quite honestly, I find conservative religious people easier to take than liberal atheists. The conservatives, while they may disagree about religion, are at least nice about it & behave responsibly, whereas most of the liberals are just mean assholes who are downright abusive to anyone who doesn't share their views.
Anyone else feel this way or have similar experiences?
I'm able to accept the the conservative theists because, the ones I know are far more the 'conservative' than they are the 'theist'. They are not religious activists, they just want to quietly believe what they want and not get persecuted for it. I may not agree with their personal beliefs, but I can certainly understand their desire for freedom.
I've never in my whole life met an actively hostile theist, but I've sure met plenty of outright hostile liberals. Including those who have threatened me regarding my conservative position - not with hell and damnation, but with being shot or having my house firebombed. I agree with you, they are at best an embarrassment to the rest of the Atheist movement, as they make it easy to characterize the godless as being evil people. And they scare the piss out of me, as they so often are in political power.
I appreciate your final thought, but I think that at this point I have just about all the 'character' I can stand. ;-)
Huh? I'm sorry, what does rape have to do with anything?
No, I've never heard anyone state anything close to that. But then, I've never met anyone (except for a few extreme Muslims) who advocates segregation of genders, either.
I agree on many counts. I've noticed that many of the liberal groups seem actively anti-semitic, a position which to me seems contradictory to their stated goals of inclusiveness and non-discrimination. Which in turn leads me to believe that they are being deceptive about other things, as well.
I suppose I have most in common with Libertarians, but (1) I can't get behind their official position on drugs, and (2) it wouldn't do me much good, anyway, since most liberals view Libertarians as simply Republicans in disguise, and treat them the same way.
A sad state of affairs, indeed.
I've found Conservative religious people LESS accepting of me and liberals MORE accepting, especially because we discuss issues in details AND I'm closer to Libertarian than Conservative.
I, too, get lonely, even for female friends who I can open up to.
My family are all Conservative religious Christians and I feel too much judgement (preaching) from them, so rarely talk to any of them. In some ways I've become quite a hermit. I used to drink/party alot just to feel at ease, or kid myself that I liked the people that I was with. But I gave it up nearly 10 years ago. I just couldn't fool myself anymore. Sometimes I go to a Freethought group, hoping to meet people. They are all nice, but there's no one I feel really close to, at least in my age group. There's an older man I feel drawn to, in a fatherly way...he wants me to meet his daughter. But, I haven't met any Republicans or Conservatives and the few who call them selves Libertarian are very liberal in my eyes.
This is an interesting post and discussion.
I have to admit, I am a Liberal in this group (And obviously Atheist). So, it is interesting to read.
I don't agree with a lot of what this group is about. Why am I here then? It is interesting...to read discussions and sometimes participate to learn other people views in life. If you stay in your own little corner of the world, how do you learn anything? Expand horizons, or even learn to defend your thoughts and positions.
More on point with this post....I can somewhat relate. I would say I am attracted to Conservative girls. I feel that Liberal girls are immature. This is a generalization, however, they go on about thinking they are cool because it is the 'in thing' to be 'anti-establishment'. They smoke pot. (While I support legalization of pot, I find it rather pointless and immature) They go on about how proud they are not to want to get married, or have kids.
I may be Liberal and an Atheist, however, I have 'traditional values'. I want to get married one day, have kids, and all of this. Liberal girls don't want marriage or kids. I don't drink or smoke or do any kind of a drug, that is all Liberal girls do - in my personal experience anyway. This is why I feel I have more of a 'connection' with Conservative girls. However, the religion thing always gets in the way.
@ John Jubinsky - "To me many of them are Atheists only to escape morality rather than for reasons of responsibility."
I agree with this - to an extent. I am embarrassed sometimes to have these people be associated with Atheism. A lot do lack any sense of morality.
@ Julia Baumann - "We give up certain freedoms in nature to live within society. Why can't they live within the social contract?"
I agree with this statement whole-heartedly. I think this is why I find Liberal girls annoying with their 'anti-establishment' rants. And, their excessive smoking of pot, which I think they do it just becuase it is counter-culture. The 'cool thing'. Somewhat with John Jubinsky point too, I think this is also why they are 'Atheist' because they see it as 'anti-establishment'. The 'cool thing'. Not for any real conviction.
I don't think it is appropriate for you to be in the group if you are liberal as you say. Your being in the group as a liberal would be analogous to a theist being a member of Atheist Nexus. My understanding of the group is that it is a format for conservatives to exchange ideas with their own kind without the interaction being subject to and, as such, undermined by liberal thought. I will not stay in the group if it bills itself as being for conservatives while providing a forum for liberals to comment on the ideas that conservatives present in it. How about if you start a group called Liberal and Conservative Interaction. I will join it and, hopefully, many more will. Perhaps then you can have what you desire without requiring that others compromise what they desire. Also, there is a new group called Hanging With Friends that is acquiring a large membership. Perhaps you can find some liberal and conservative interaction in it through the ordinary conversation that it is meant to accommodate.
I am sorry you feel this way.
I am not here to cause any trouble. Never have, and did not now.
I will stay in this group - unless Chris wants to kick me out.