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The "CLIMATE CONCERNS" group is dedicated to discussion regarding the topic of the ever present and serious issue of changes to our climate due to the introduction into the atmosphere of human induced effects which prove harmful to the environment and which eventually may prove destructive to our planet. 

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2015 Summer heat

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat 18 hours ago. 1 Reply

It's only May, but 500 have already died from the heat in India. Does this foreshadow the 2015 El Niño…Continue

Tags: Climate Destabilization, heat wave, El Nino

Fact-Resistant Humans

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Gerald Payne May 14. 6 Replies

ROFLClimate Denial humor.Scientists: Earth Endangered by…Continue

Tags: fact-resistant humans

Permamelt in southern Siberia

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 18. 3 Replies

The southern boundary of Siberian permafrost permamelt in Khakassia had a massive wildfire outbreak  April 12th. Some call this an early start of the permaburn season.…Continue

Tags: Siberian permafrost fires

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Comment by Donald L. Engel on May 16, 2015 at 8:22pm

Gerald, I don't think you are considering all of the consequences that would occur without oil.  You are worried about the wild life, so let's start with that.  Right now we get our beef, pork, chicken, and all the rest of our meat from the local grocery store.  That meat is brought to the store by rail and truck.  They both need oil. 

If I can't get meat from the grocery store, I'm going out in the woods, and kill the meat that you are trying to protect.

If we can't use oil for heat, we (all 5 billion of us) will have to start burning the trees you are trying to protect.

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 5:32pm

Donald, I agree with you unreservedly on the ambiguities of climate change. But on this one I'll beg to differ.

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 5:22pm

If we don't recognise the negative effects of our 'profit at any price' philosophy we wont have a civilization worth shutting down.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on May 16, 2015 at 5:14pm

Gerald, you didn't answer my question.  Are you proposing that we shut down civilization?


Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 4:30pm

Are there any oil wells disrupting your natural local habitat Donald? You talk about the need for practical exploitation of potential oil reserves but it seems to me you have an enthusiasm for exploitation only in area's that  are outside your comfort zone. Unbelievable as it may seem the arctic is a designated nature reserve for the world community, not a jump in jump out rape of peoples heritage.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on May 16, 2015 at 4:03pm

Gerald, are you proposing that we just shut down civilization?  Whether we like it or not, we still need fuel for transportation, energy and heat.  We are trying to find new, more futuristic methods for doing all of that, but until we invent those new methods, we still have to maintain what we have.  To do that, we need to maintain a supply of oil, and to do that we have to drill more oil wells. 

I like wild life as much as you do, and living in the woods, as we are doing, we are surrounded by everything from shrews, to elk, bear, coyotes, racoons, cougars, and bobcats.

And I still like to drive my car into town, and that requires oil..

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 3:34pm

We must beware of drawing lines in the sand, for or against being a simple matter of ticking a box. A little insight is worth more than every predetermined idea ever imagined.

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 3:20pm

Do we stand by, in the name of progress, and ignore the decimation of our wildlife.!!!!!!!!!!! By what criterion do we measure progress? It's not as clear cut as it appears. Maybe we should sit back and take a long hard look.

Comment by Gerald Payne on May 16, 2015 at 3:03pm

I'm  well aware of that Donald. Don't you consider arctic exploitation a danger to wildlife?

Comment by Donald L. Engel on May 16, 2015 at 11:51am

They aren't drilling in Seattle.  They are parking the rig there until the Arctic thaws a little more.


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