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For people who love opera, ballet, and classical music. A place to relax and enjoy the soothing sound of the masters. (Incept date, 0401.10)

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Hindemith, Mathias Grunewald, the Nazis, &c.

Started by James M. Martin Jul 4, 2012. 0 Replies

When I was a bachelor at a…Continue

Virtual Choir 3.0 - Water Night

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Tony Carroll Apr 2, 2012. 1 Reply

Words may not suffice here.  The average choir may be ... what?  Thirty, maybe 50 for a medium ensemble, and a large orchestra chorus might go one or two hundred.  Worthy of note, Eric Whitacre's…Continue

Tags: Water Night, Virtual Choir, Eric Whitacre

For Christopher...

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Dec 16, 2011. 2 Replies

I sometimes like to think I have a way with words here and there.  Today, having learned of the death of Christopher Hitchens, I find the words coming in fits and starts, but any attempt at giving…Continue

Tags: Dmitri Shostakovich, Christopher Hitchens

Is Music Dangerous?

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Aug 10, 2011. 3 Replies

It was a few years ago when I attended a Cleveland Orchestra concert which included Dmitri Shostakovich’s Fourth Symphony.  Up to that time, I had been aware of his more popular works, such as his…Continue

Tags: Shostakovich Symphony No. 4, Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk, Stalin, Shostakovich

Eric Whitacre's Virtual Choir - Lux Aurumque

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Apr 5, 2011. 3 Replies

When is a choir not a choir ... yet still a choir?When is an ensemble not assembled, yet is assembled?Ask Eric Whitacre. Some time back, he was sent a link on YouTube of a woman, singing a single…Continue

Tags: YouTube, Lux Aurumque, Virtual Choir, Eric Whitacre

Eric Whitacre's Virtual Choir 2.0 - *** UPDATED ***

Started by Loren Miller Apr 5, 2011. 0 Replies

On 7 April, 2011, Eric Whitacre will release his latest Virtual Choir project, with the performance of his work, "Sleep."  This project involved the participation of no less than 2,051 voices from 58…Continue

Tags: YouTube, Sleep, Virtual Choir, Eric Whitacre

The Playlist Vault of Classical Masters on A|N

Started by Roy The Infidel. Last reply by Roy The Infidel Sep 22, 2010. 9 Replies

Archive of featured playlists on Classical Masters.Continue

Tags: masters, classical, playlist, vault

The OTHER Side of Eric Whitacre

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Sep 10, 2010. 2 Replies

Certainly, there is "Water Night," "Sleep," and the powerful "When David Heard."  To this day I shed tears listening to some of this stuff.And then ... there's Eric's OTHER side ... the side which…Continue

Conductors, Too

Started by James M. Martin. Last reply by Steve Snyder Jun 19, 2010. 16 Replies

I hope this group will welcome from time to time discussions of conductors, as in some circles they are almost the auteurs of the work, usually those who get the rosettes in the Penguin Guide.  But…Continue

Shostakovich - Symphony No. 5

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jun 5, 2010. 5 Replies

As controversial as it is powerful, Dmitri Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony was written in the wake of the searing criticism of his opera, "Lady MacBeth of Mtensk."  This criticism had reduced…Continue

Tags: Lady MacBeth of Mtsensk, Soviet, Shostakovich, Michael Tilson Thomas

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Comment by Loren Miller on April 9, 2010 at 6:05pm
And Eric Carmen stole from Serge Rachmaninoff not once but twice: "Never Gonna Fall In Love Again," taken from the 3rd movement of his 2nd symphony and "All By Myself," that lifted from the 2nd movement of his 2nd piano concerto.

And while I think about it, Ian Anderson jazzed up Bach's Bourree on Jethro Tull's album, "Stand Up" (a long-time fave of mine!), and "Lover's Concerto" by The Toys come straight from The Anna Magdalena Bach Notebook.
Comment by James M. Martin on April 9, 2010 at 5:39pm
"Whiter Shade of Pale" was based on something by Bach. Procol Harum's pianist told me this himself.
Comment by Loren Miller on April 9, 2010 at 8:33am
Hell, if you want to get into popular music, how about "Stranger in Paradise," a straight rip from the Polovetzian Dances of Borodin? And there's also "Full Moon and Empty Arms," right out of the third movement of Rach's 2nd Piano Concerto.

What? I'm DATING myself? Merde! I date myself when I BREATHE!!!
Comment by Jaume on April 9, 2010 at 8:09am
Loren: The death of the Enterprise in Horner's score for Star Trek III is almost a note-for-note steal from Prokofiev's "Romeo & Juliet.

The Dance of the Knights (from Romeo and Juliet) is probably the most used/plagiarized classical score ever. Or close. And I don't know if it's widely known, but Sting (the singer) also borrowed from Prokofiev in one of his songs (Lieutenant Kijé, 2nd movement.)
Comment by Loren Miller on April 9, 2010 at 7:48am
Almost forgot to add a quote I've heard from multiple sources but mostly attributed to Igor Stravinsky:

Good artists borrow. Great artists steal!
Comment by Loren Miller on April 9, 2010 at 7:40am
Doesn't everyone, James? The death of the Enterprise in Horner's score for Star Trek III is almost a note-for-note steal from Prokofiev's "Romeo & Juliet. Horner has used excerpts from Khachaturian's Gayaneh Ballet in "Aliens" and "Clear and Present Danger" and at least one other film I can't think of at the moment, and he quotes from the Largo of Shostakovich's 5th in CaPD as well.

John Williams borrowed from Stravinsky's "Rites of Spring" in the desert theme of the original Star Wars and from Respeghi's "Pines of Rome" in the Krypton theme from "Superman." These two are more adaptations than straight steals, but the reference is evident to anyone who has a working pair of ears.
Comment by James M. Martin on April 9, 2010 at 7:29am
@Loren: Now, you have brought up a subject close to my heart (or of great interest): movie composer theft. I could start a contest to see who can name the most obvious thefts: the dum-dah-dum-dah &c. in "Jaws," which is a total rip off of "Petroushka" (I think, but possibly "Firebird." Then there is that moment in Tiomkin's score for "Giant" where the orchestra swells to a passage quite imitative of Mahler's Eighth. Then there is the Lola theme from "Lola Montes" by Max Ophuls, where Georges Auric has the nerve to swipe, note-by-note, from Brahams' "Double Concerto." It goes on and on and on. John Williams' unabashed thefts from Debussy. In fact I suspect John Williams could not even compose a film score without stealing. Know other examples?
Comment by Loren Miller on April 9, 2010 at 5:51am
James, so did Aaron Copland, Sergei Prokofiev and Dmitri Shostakovich ... oh, and Erich Wolfgang Korngold, all of whom are recognized as much as classical composers as film composers. Bacharach has written nothing at that level that I know of.

James Horner has made a habit of STEALING from classical composers, Shostakovich and Khachaturian, most notably, but that doesn't qualify him to be considered with the above group any more than Burt does.
Comment by Roy The Infidel on April 9, 2010 at 5:47am
You are welcome, Dr. Meaden. Likewise, thank you for joining Classical Masters.
Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on April 9, 2010 at 4:38am
Thanks Roy for initiating this timely much-needed group.
 

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