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National events

This October in Montreal, Canada the 16th annual AAI convention

Atheists Without Borders
AAI-HC 2010 Convention


Local hosts: Atheist Freethinkers and CFI Montreal

It is here! The most anticipated North American atheist convention of the year. With fresh line of speakers and plethora of entertainment, you sure don't want to miss this event.

Join us in Montreal for AAI's annual North American convention, "Atheists Without Borders." This theme expresses our vision of an international movement, going beyond political and cultural borders, uniting atheists and humanists in one virtual nation defined by our commitment to freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, human rights, critical thought, science and reason. This event will be AAI's first North American convention outside the United States and the first in collaboration with Humanist Canada, a national organization.

Our roster of esteemed speakers includes both American icons of freethought and outstanding Canadian and European scholars and activists. The three-day convention is centred around more than twenty workshops as well as several plenary sessions, addressing issues of keen interest to nonbelievers, such as religion-State separation, secularism, the history of freethought, the defence of education against religious encroachment and strategies for combatting fundamentalism -- in particular islamofascism. Join us as well in congratulating this year's Richard Dawkins Award recipient, Susan Jacoby, author of Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism.


Other things that might interest Canadians

National and Provincal Groups and Forums (click for expanded list)

Humanist Canada
Centre for Inquiry Canada
The Canadian Secular Alliance

Other Canadian groups on Nexus

http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/northernfreethinkers

http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/britishcolumbiaatheists

http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/atheistsinalberta

http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/torontoatheists

http://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/TheGoodAtheist

If I have missed some please let me know

Canadian Bloggers, Youtubers, Podcast, etc...

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Comment by Rudy V Kiist on October 19, 2010 at 2:26pm
Oh, and that's all within Alberta...
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on October 19, 2010 at 2:25pm
LOL...wasn't talking about the 18th century definition. Was talking about farming "culture" today (^_-). Besides my mind can't help but think of lunch (and especially "tea") as being smaller. (definitions do change over time)
And I guess I lied...have one more thing to point out about culture from my view. My grandparents from my mom's side came from England and the Ukraine and my dad's came from Romania and Germany. I grew up south of a strong Ukrainian town and just north of a German community. I now live in a heavy Dutch community, with a native reservation to the north. And I think it's all wonderful! I don't (and hope never will) adhere to any one culture, yet embrace them all without prejudice. And I'm VERY proud of my diversity!
Comment by TNT666 on October 19, 2010 at 12:24pm
Well all I can say to that is if Québec is «too much» culture, then assuredly Europe must simply off the charts.

And FYI Rudy, lunch does not mean small dinner. In Europe during 1700s or thereabouts, there was a shift in meal customs within the upper class of society, which was taking later and later meals. The meal terminology at that time was in French (it was the dominant language in England around that time as the English language had not yet come into its own), déjeuner, diner, souper. As those meal times got pushed later and later as royalty partied til the late hours of the night, servant people kept their previous eating schedules. Therefore in the language of that period, déjeuner/diner/souper for the aristocracy, petit-déjeuner/déjeuner/diner for the commoners. As these correspond to the early years of North American colonisation, the common folk continued the traditional usage (and english equivalents) of breakfast/diner/supper, which are still common usage in Eastern Canada, whether in French or in English. During the next century, the common folk usage fell out of use as people like to «look up and onward» and so diner came to be known as the evening meal and «tea» became known as the midday meal, at this point the english language was coming into its own and was veering away from French wich is reflected in the variation in terms. In the USA tea became lunch and Western Canada followed along. Nothing to do with meal size.

Culture is not only the common plan for the future but also the understanding of how cultural history affects the present.
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on October 19, 2010 at 10:18am
Actually, yes I did know you can put any language WITH the French language…that was sorta my point. And yes, my point was culture doesn’t have to be important to some if they don’t want it to be. If one wants to be an “atheist culturalist” I think that’s fine, because, besides totally emotional reasons, I have not as of yet heard any rational reasons against it. And yes, I say breakfast/dinner/supper (which, as a farmer, I’ve always understood that to be a farming custom thing). But if my children start saying breakfast/lunch/supper and/or dinner, it won’t, in my opinion be the end of the world…as long as they are happy. Besides, most (especially city people) do have lunch because, being a smaller meal, (and not having time for “dinner”) that’s what it is!

Honestly, I know you two will not like hearing this, but the fact is your augment has changed my mind, but in the wrong direction I think you’d like. Although somewhat split/open on the issue, (like I said, I really did stick up for “the French side” here in AB) with your arguments, you have convinced me of something I never considered…You can take culture too far.

I will not be responding any further as it seems a little pointless, since either you’ll twist my point to something I haven’t said (or didn’t mean), or maybe I’m not expressing myself properly (which could very well be the case too). In any case, I’d like to close by saying, although my opinion on the topic has changed, my view on the actual people haven’t…as in I still believe them to be good people overall (including yourselves). Also, I would highly recommend you read the book “How We Decide” by Jonah Lehrer. And if you have, you may want to check it out again.

So say your peace if you wish, but I’m done on the subject (^_^)
Comment by Michel Poisson on October 19, 2010 at 2:44am
Rudy: "If I want to put a store sign in Cantonese or German, it should be my right...no many may be able to read it or understand it, but no one should be able to tell me I can't."

Another misconception! You can, as long as there is also a French translation. And that needs to be done if our French enclave is to survive Anglo-American (ROC) cultural invasion.
Comment by TNT666 on October 18, 2010 at 7:59pm
Personally I feel everyone has a right to adhere to whatever culture they desire.

That right there just demonstrated your value of culture is close to nil. Culture is NOT about YOU doing whatever YOU want. It's about a relatively homogenous group of people UNITING under agreed upon cultural values such as feminism, dignity, legal system, laicity, freedom of sexual activities, etc. There is not a single Human Individual freedom ROC has over Québec. And yes, Québécois in general agree that commerce are not individuals and the rights of commerce should be limited and managed according to a society's objectives. ROC love to bring up «commercial» freedoms in these disagreements, but that's because most of ROC's culture is USA culture. Most anglophone ROC residents know 10 times more about USA culture than ROC culture. That's because Canadians are sooooo polite, accepting any foreign whim shoved down our throats «because we're so nice», reducing funding to NFB, to CBC, etc. Anglo ROC has been cutting cultural funding for years, to the benefit of commerce and the «American way». Thank you but I'll continue saying Breakfast/dinner/supper.
Comment by TNT666 on October 18, 2010 at 7:38pm
To not understand that Québec is a haven to anti-religiosity and feminism simply means you do not know Québec. Out of my 40 some years, 27 in Québec, 9 in Caribbean and Florida, rest in ROC and having been raised in a English speaking home with a French hating mother, in a French community, let me tell you I've experienced all sides of the debate. In life, if you're lucky, you come to see that culture is the result of what you fight for. Did you know for example that on Québec has the largest 'cultural' output of any franco nation? (books, papers, magazines, movies, etc) It's a pretty wonderful state of being when you find that a lot of what you've been fighting for is coming true. But some of you havn't had the luck of experiencing that socially-culturally. People have got to stand up and fight, and that's what Québécois do.

I swear tho when I hear an English Canadian ask «what about native rights» well right back at you man... Québec was undergoing territorial land claims for first nations long ago. The Bay James agreement with the Cree was the FIRST such agreement ever made. The Cree made a lot of money with the Bay James agreement, and they got educations, became lawyers and economists and took charge of their only life much before the ROC. And since Québec had no residential schools, the FEDS sent many Québec first nations people to Ontario. Bet you didn't know that the first sovereignty proposals included sovereingty for First Nations... not saying Québec has a perfect record involving First Nations, but before leaving Québec borders, I had never seen a drunk native or one shooting up in a back alley... My home town is squarely in between two «Federal Indian reserves» so I grew up with First Nations issues and support every single one of their actions, as do most of my friends in Québec. So lets start a discussion «atheist Canadians against bilingualism» that's one thing we agree on here.
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on October 18, 2010 at 6:47pm
Yes, Michel, that kinda was my point...and it obviously isn't just Albertans. Apparently, some have a little confusion with feminism and bigotry when it comes to a persons language as well.
Personally I feel everyone has a right to adhere to whatever culture they desire...as long as it's not forced on them. If I want to put a store sign in Cantonese or German, it should be my right...no many may be able to read it or understand it, but no one should be able to tell me I can't. And as far as it goes, it shouldn't matter who or where you were born, you should be able to observe/practice whatever culture you want....even if you're a white boy and decide to follow black culture (as long as it's done in good taste).

And I'm sorry to say it, but since you brought up the bigotry thing, that's exactly what many Canadians think a lot of french Quebec is (bigoted). They think that way, because they get the impression the Quebec government is taking too many rights away from other peoples and cultures. And to say Quebec has to fight fire with fire, won't sway many a opinion.
And in case you're wondering, yes, I also feel (especially here in Alberta) that many are very biased towards Quebec...which is why (believe it or not) I've gotten into many an argument defending Quebec as well.
Comment by Michel Poisson on October 18, 2010 at 5:42pm
"I live in Alberta, and many here view Quebecoise as a religion."

Albertans can't make the difference between religion and language?
Comment by Michel Poisson on October 18, 2010 at 5:39pm
Et Wayne, Je parles et j'écris l'anglais au moins aussi bien que toi, je participe à la mondialisation autant sinon plus que toi et si tu t'intéresses un tant soit peu à l'impact des languages sur la cognition, tu va comprendre les avantages d'apprendre d'autres langues humaine. Ça élargit l'esprit bigot.
 

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