I have been trying for a while with no success to get involved with Californians interested in starting a new secular political party. My concept of politics is to use cold, hard reason and common sense in lieu of political and religious ideology to the extent that is reasonably possible. I figure that since more people register as independents than either Democrats or Republicans, there must be at least some discontent out there. If California's (and America's) awful state of affairs is any indication, it looks like the current two-party system has failed us. No wonder there is more than a bit of sourness about politics these days. If there is any interest here, my version of politics is explained at California Moderates (contact info is there too).

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Hey Bryan. Thanks for the suggestion. I really did look carefully into the Libertarians and other third parties (Socialists, Greens, Nazis, Green Nazis (a truly weird group, if it exists at all), Communists, various religious parties and a slew of other oddities) and was not impressed with any of them, except a couple of independent parties (e.g., the Independent party of Oregon). None of the interesting parties exist here in California.


Libertarians are hard core government hater ideologues, now largely co-opted by religion. I am a hard core secular realist and pragmatist. In other words, I let reality, reasonable compassion, shrewd thinking, reasonable personal freedom and an honest cost-benefit viewpoint dictate what makes sense, not political or religious ideology. To the best of my knowledge, the Libertarians (and most of the other parties) do not view politics like that.


Any other suggestions? I am always interested in checking out something new. Absent that, I want to see a new secular, pragmatic, non-ideological third party here in California. What we here here is a real failure and a disgrace. That's why California is bankrupt.

Not Libertarian. Social Libertarian. Libertarian Socialism is very different from Libertarianism (and definitely very different from the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party!) especially in the U.S. Most people would just shrug it off as anarchism or socialism but it is actually more well thought out than your average political ideology. They really don't have a party anyway so it's probably not something you're looking for. Just something to ponder.

Have you considered that politics and joining a party is not a solution?  I am not saying that it is not but it should be considered.

However if your looking for compassion and reason + liberty I would look into Stefan moleneux.  Hes got podcasts, hes on youtube and his show is great.  He subscribes to Philosophy, reason, evidence, empathy, anti-gov (anti coercion) and atheism.  I think hes one of the wisest people around.  Just my thoughts of course :)

I concur, I "got fooled again".."shoulDa known better"..I've pulled out of the democratic party Again, for the umteenth time now and am looking around..I was a "greenie" for awhile but around here, they're just a bunch of angry people who get together and  get into a big bitch-fest..so I dunno..there's still time..

The two major political parties have such a stranglehold on money - which is now, with the Supreme Court's blessing, the essential ingredient to success in elections - that the prospects for an effective third party seem to me extremely remote at best. I like what the Greens stand for, but they're (by their own admission) really more a movement than a cohesive party. 

Since this originally posted I attended a convention where I met members of the National Atheist Party. While still a fledgling organization I think that their goals may be in line with many here. They have a page here: http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/national-atheist-party-nap


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