Says Tonya, one of my many Christian coworkers, to my coworker Chase, another, as he voices his agreement. Of course this kind of statement is commonplace in an office in which every employee (except your humble narrator, of course) is Christian. One is a youth pastor (Chase). Four others work for the church they attend (including Tonya). All except two or three (who don't have radios at all) play gospel music constantly throughout the day. Every single one has some form of Christian material in their office space. Given these statistics, I can conclude that my coworkers are oblivious to the fact that a proud Atheist has penetrated their ranks. But their guesswork isn't illogical. I mean I am a black young adult living in southern Alabama, one of many states that comprises the Bible Belt (what a ridiculous name!). But I digress. The question is why must everyone be saved, Tonya?
Am I somehow less than a human being if I'm not? Will being saved comfort me in troubled times? If I'm saved, why would I even have troubled times? Because I didn't pray enough? Because I'm unworthy of Yahweh's governance? Seems like being "saved" is synonymous to having a skewed sense of self-worth (and trust me, I know about a low sense of self-worth). Christians equate being saved to being set free, but how free are you when you have to incessantly beg your God for forgiveness or risk death and an eternity of torture? Once again, why must everyone be saved?
Maybe because being saved will give me a sense of morals, of right and wrong. So what is wrong? Premarital sex? I have no problem with that, but neither do most Christians. Smoking, drinking, gambling, cursing, etc.? I have no problem with that, but neither do most Christians. Murder? What if Yahweh told you to kill someone, would you do it? You wouldn't be the first. Yahweh told Andrea Yates to kill her children. Can you fault her for trying to get to Heaven? Morals come from having the maturity to realize that you will get more out of life by treating people as you would want to be treated. You shouldn't need the Bible to tell you that. So why must everyone be saved?
Maybe I should be saved just to reduce my chances of going to Hell. Maybe I shouldn't take a chance at being wrong. Oh, how faulty your reasoning is. Everyone who has ever walked the face of the Earth has taken a chance of being wrong. A follower of any one religion dismisses all the other religions as mythology and has deemed them all wrong. And if I am wrong, who says I'll end up in Yahweh's Hell? Maybe it'll be Hades. Maybe it'll be a Hell belonging to a religion not yet discovered by man.
I've run out of reasons to dispute, so you all tell me. Why must everyone be saved?
I'm an atheist and I deny my role in how I landed in the criminal justice system. Gerard is on the blame the poor tour here. We live in a world that has long passed the ability to produce adequate food, shelter, and health care for all, yet we see people dying all around from treatable conditions! The capitalist class, who rule over this system, are the real criminals who rob people daily, not only in the workplace when they do not give workers 100% of the wealth that our labor produces, but also via the elevated $tatus they've achieved by such a setup they also are enabled to shape laws to serve their interests, to put forth the dominant culture and methods of thinking throughout society, to deprive people of the means to really understand and act to change the world, and to rob and rule over people in a million other ways. So yes, those Christians who make up a large portion of the prison population here in this country --that has roughly 5% of the world's population and over 25% of the world's prison population, along with 1/3rd of all of the women who're in prison in the world!-- are all excused for their "crimes." System makes the people.
If a child is locked in a room their entire life and given beatings everyday, whose fault is it if the child exhibits odd behavior and thinking upon exiting the beating room? Well, the capitalist class (those who own the means to produce goods) control and rule over one big beating room. Humanity can only be "saved" by carrying out a successful revolution to wrestle power away from those whose interests are served by the current setup that is grinding people up as we speak and by placing the means of production into common ownership.
Closing here with a poem by Oscar Brown Jr.--
Oscar Brown Jr – Children of Children
The children of children by the time they’re half grown have habits like rabbits and young of their own
The children of children from their mamas laps hop down to the ground to be taken in traps
The children of children trapped by dark skins to stay in and play in a game no one wins
The children of children while still young and sweet are all damned and programmed for future defeat
The children of children are trapped by adults who fail them then jail them to hide the results
The children of children unable to cope with systems that twist them and rob them of hope
The children of children of sin and ashamed keep pairing and bearing and who do you blame
The children of children cry out every day – they beg you for rescue and what do you say?
hello sendero rojo - so, i get that you are in jail now? you intrigue me much. what is it that put you there? and i totally agree with you on many levels, although not all. i would be really po'd, too. i wouldn't last in jail, if i ever got put there, & it is scary to think that one might be totally innocent - the 'justice' system needs to wiped clean and started over especially everyone should be able to get a 'good' lawyer - boy, that's really a mess !!!
i do think though, that one does have the responsibility for oneself as far as one is able. Rabbi Hillel: 'If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, then what am I? And if not now, when?” the one thing i have always wanted to do is make a better world. then i learned if i could one thing once in while, it's good. now i hope just to keep back the flood !!!! i don't know what i'm trying to say exactly ! i would like to talk to you though - p.s. i am not rich, not by even a little bit, in case you're wondering. . .
the children of children - cry out in their sleep, cry out in their hunger, cry out in their loneliness. why can't we make more of an impact? why? please do write me back. . . alexa
gerard - oh !
i guess i sorta heard you wrong and it got my goat (whatever that means - where does it come from - get my goat mmmm). i certainly didn't realize that they deny to themselves what they have done. and i really didn't know about the 'being saved' thing in quite the way you couch it.
one thing about being respected. since iv'e discovered this site - i feel so much stronger in my atheism. like me and all my fellows are lile Atheists - yea!!!!! i wish we had a button or pendant to wear - not for labeling ourselves, but just say - 'Hey, I don't have a cross or a star or a moon -i have this !!!" well, something like that. . . although,maybe it would give us a chance to find each other better. anyway, i certainly respect your opinion and very well put, too - alexa :] even alchemy has a sign . . .
No problem with coexisting, but the whole "Everybody should be saved..." mentality opposes coexistance. In Christianity, being saved means professing that Jesus died on the cross to forgive us our sins and that Christ is our savior who will give us eternal life. What this person means by saying that is that everyone should believe in Yahweh the exact same way she does, or else they are in danger of suffering.