Aussie, Kiwi & South Pacific Atheists


Aussie, Kiwi & South Pacific Atheists

A group for networking and friendship between atheists in the Australian/New Zealand/South Pacific region, and for discussion of political and religious topics relevant to these regions.

Members: 347
Latest Activity: Oct 31

Aussie, Kiwi and South Pacific Atheists

This group is hosted by Richard J and Chrys Stevenson

Another High Court Challenge Against the National School Chaplaincy Program


Breaking News! After successfully challenging the Commonwealth government in the High Court of Australia over funding for the National School Chaplaincy Scheme, Ron Williams is to take them on again.  In an attempt to circumvent the High Court ruling, the government has passed some extremely questionable legislation which tears at the heart of parliamentary democracy and public accountability.  Williams has consulted with his crack legal team and the decision has been made today (Saturday, 7 July) to mount another challenge.

For more information see here:

Mounting a High Court challenge is extremely expensive and Ron Williams is just an average, suburban Dad.  If all of us who care about a secular, democratic Australia can chip in as much as we can, it will help enormously.  Please consider donating at:

This is your chance to be a part of making Australian Constitutional history!

Embiggen Books - Your Australian Atheist/Skeptical Bookshop

Embiggen Books, an Australian bookstore devoted to promoting science, philosophy, rationalism and skepticism is now on Little Lonsdale Street, Melbourne. Warren Bonett and Kirsty Bruce of Embiggen are also passionate and active members of the atheist and skeptical communities.

Australian Atheist Issues

For new members, if you want to get a grasp of some of the issues effecting atheists in Australia, you might like to take a look at the Atheist Nexus (Australia) submission on "Freedom of Religion and Belief in the 21st Century" made to the Australian Human Rights Commission early last year. It's long, but easy reading, and worth spending some time on. A report, using information compiled from submissions, should be released later this year.

Atheist Meetup Groups - Australia

If you'd like to meet up with some local atheists, there's no better way than joining your local Atheist Meetup, Skeptics, or Freethought Groups:

Adelaide Atheists
Ballarat Atheists
Brisbane Atheists
Canberra Social Skeptics
Melbourne Atheists
Launceston Skeptics
Macarthur Atheists (Macarthur Region, Sydney (NSW)
Perth Atheists
Perth Skeptics
Sunshine Coast Atheists
Sydney Atheists
Sydney Freethinkers
Western Sydney Freethinkers
Wollongong Skeptics Society

Have we missed your meetup group? Just let me know and I'll add it in.

Discussion Forum

Question from a visitor.

Started by Ted E Bear. Last reply by Chrys Stevenson Jan 17, 2013. 6 Replies

Naughty corner for not attending R.E? Yes, this is in NZ folks!!!

Started by Therese Monteath-Carr. Last reply by Blamer on twitter Dec 10, 2012. 3 Replies

Pell v Dawkins: this Monday

Started by Phillip A. Ellis. Last reply by Alice Apr 17, 2012. 3 Replies

Any Hamiltonian skeptics out there?

Started by Leela Moses Nov 16, 2011. 0 Replies

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Comment by Peter Johnson on August 11, 2010 at 10:22am
There is a good article in New Scientist 01 May 2010 on the mathematics of voting & how skewed it can get while trying to be fair. It's more interesting than it sounds.

I tend to agree with Rigbyt, but there are also problems with proportional voting removing one's local representative from the picture & replacing that rep with a centrally-determined representative. Too much to go into here. It's all in the article I refer to above. One can often gain access to New Scientist (+ other good online publications) through being a member of one's local library for free. At least in the A.C.T. we can.
Comment by CaptainCook on August 10, 2010 at 9:45pm
I caught a little of the earlier Smith/Robb fiasco, due to travelling home from work. These clowns have no idea what they are doing and it is my fear that the sweaty rednecks who think boat people will take their jobs will actually elect these people. For myself--I feel disenfranchised because I don't want to vote for either of them! For me, it's a struggle to decide which party to put last! NO-ONE will direct me where to put my preferences--but, however I order them, the system means that I end up being forced to vote for people and parties I detest. And voting informal as a protest isn't really a protest. IS there a 'good' electoral system???
Comment by Фелч Гроган on August 10, 2010 at 9:24pm
@CC - Wingnut's performance re: broadband is without a doubt the most clueless and embarrassing performance I have ever witnessed. It surpassed easily heavyweights like Steve Fielding and Pauline Hanson.
Comment by CaptainCook on August 10, 2010 at 6:55pm
I suppose everyone witnessed Phony Tony on The 7.30 Report last night? What an egregious fool! But as for voting choices--I have yet to discover which parties (apart from the obvious two) are contending in my area. Obviously, I will be proactive and find this information for myself. But--are there any like-minded (in terms of this group) candidates at all in either of the forthcoming elections--Federal or State? If not, what are we doing about it? The voice of Reason needs to be strong and vigorous!
Comment by Фелч Гроган on August 10, 2010 at 9:57am
EFA Party Policy Guide 2010.

Inexplicably, the Greens and the Sex Party are the only good guys.
Comment by Chrys Stevenson on August 7, 2010 at 9:09pm
Mantain the rage! Donate to the High Court Challenge against school chaplaincy. This is now our only hope of getting rid of this shameful scheme which short-changes our children.
Comment by Chrys Stevenson on August 7, 2010 at 5:21pm
Well said Rigby! {Applauds}
Comment by Фелч Гроган on August 7, 2010 at 2:15am
The poll was poorly worded and irrelevant. There is a huge difference between an "atheist prime minister" and an "atheist prime minister surveillance state enabler" and it was not delineated. Reviewing the agendas of Labor both state and federal and there is more than a faint Stalinist whiff to it. To quote Bruce Schneier -

It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state.

And forget about just the internet abuse - sleight of hand has seen our rights to freely associate vanish in a puff in parts of the country without anyone lifting a finger.

Gillard has done nothing to distance herself from these agendas. In fact she seems an enthusiastic advocate. Labor has gone beyond simply being a stupid government and is teetering on malignant evil.

I never would have said so 5 years ago, but we now desperately need a bill of rights and we need to do it before it's too late. None of the big parties have even the remotest interest in it - again they are openly hostile to the very idea. The Green's are populist imbeciles - they can't be trusted with it either. I can't remember such a barren and despicable political climate ever.

But, we have the politicians we deserve.
Comment by CaptainCook on August 6, 2010 at 8:04pm
From today's Herald.

Churches push gay adoption ban
August 7, 2010

THE MAIN adoption agency for infants in Sydney, Anglicare, has written to state MPs urging them to vote against a bill that would allow same-sex couples to adopt when it is debated in Parliament later this month.

The chief executive of Anglicare, Peter Kell, cites a child's need for both a mother and father among the 11 reasons why same-sex couples should not be given the same rights as heterosexual couples under adoption law.

''Men and women complement each other in their parenting roles as a result of their inherent physical, psychological and emotional attributes. Adoptive children should not be denied this opportunity,'' Mr Kell said.

The Independent MP Clover Moore said her amendments to the Adoption Act would overcome the ''double standards'' that allow gay and lesbian individuals to adopt, but not homosexual couples. Same-sex couples are also used as foster carers by the Department of Community Services.

Ms Moore said in the vast majority of cases, same-sex adoptions will involve step-parenting situations and ''known'' adoptions, where the child already has a relationship with the parent, such as a foster carer.

However, Mr Kell denied there was a double standard in same-sex couples being permitted to foster but not adopt, arguing ''a cautious approach is required where the decision is irreversible''.

The NSW Gay and Lesbian Rights Lobby says the Adoption Act is the last piece of state legislation that directly discriminates against same-sex couples and their children.

Last year, a Legislative Council committee recommended by a narrow margin that same-sex couples be allowed to adopt.

However, the committee also said faith-based adoption agencies should be exempt from anti-discrimination legislation, so long as they refer any same-sex couples who seek their services to another adoption agency.

Two of the three government-accredited adoption agencies in NSW, Anglicare and CatholicCare, have threatened to stop providing adoption services if they were forced to facilitate adoption by homosexual couples.

The 2006 census shows there about 1500 children living in same-sex families in NSW.

-- My own opinion is that gay couples of either gender should be able to adopt. There are several reasons why the position taken in "The chief executive of Anglicare, Peter Kell, cites a child's need for both a mother and father among the 11 reasons why same-sex couples should not be given the same rights as heterosexual couples under adoption law." is wrong. I'm sure all of us here are aware of ways in which the so-called ideal family is not ideal. I haven't got my thoughts together properly about this one--there are so many and I have other things to do at present. However, this surely is something we need to lobby about.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on August 5, 2010 at 9:40pm
Coalition vows to block internet filter

Now if they'll only get rid of wingnut as leader.

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