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Atheists who were Muslims

Former Muslims who have seen the light and have let go of God....and fellow sympathizers

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Muslimish meet-up goups

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UK - Muslim peace conference condemns terrorism

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"Islamophobia: a Definition"

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Translation

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Question

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I'm a new member and I would like to introduce myself

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The Council of Ex-Muslims

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Debate: Ayaan Hirsi Ali vs Ed Husain

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Man to be executed for being a "sorcerer"

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From Pharyngula: Islam is a weakling's religion

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Comment by Sufian Ahmad on May 9, 2009 at 4:42pm
By the way, is it Amer Muhammad or Muhammad Amer?
Comment by Sufian Ahmad on May 6, 2009 at 1:28am
Well, not too afraid I know that...Man this is a tough problem. Let me ask you this question, do you think that one day we will be able to turn Islamic fanaticism into Atheism or even Secularism...I don't know...Lets discuss this:
I used to think that a reformation movement like the Christian one would help, and I actually started one and here are the two articles I published, let me know what u think...
http://www.thedmonline.com/2.2840/arab-world-threatens-itself-1.111658

http://sufrjo.blogspot.com/2009/05/arabic-worlds-crisis-between-radicalism.html

Let me know what u think...
Comment by muhammad amer on April 30, 2009 at 2:08pm
Many ugly things are considered right just because nobody bothers to say they are wrong.
"Ayan Ali" talking to BBC Hardtalk
Comment by Riaz Ahmed Shah on April 7, 2009 at 12:06pm
this is in reply to Cartoonoholic ,
you have posited a very interesting question. I think it would be better if you can post it as a discussion.that way we can all put forward our ideas regarding this subject.
Comment by alex on March 22, 2009 at 3:08am
hello every body, i am new in this site, hopfuly we ganna make a good communication. thx
Comment by Sufian Ahmad on March 17, 2009 at 9:23am
Hey,
Ok...Let me squeeze all the information I have about this issue. The prophet read the Quran in the Qurashi dialect for sure, and thats the dialect Othman used to write down the seven copies I told you about. Now at this point the development of quran forked into a vocal and a written one; The vocal one depended a lot on the different regions and the dialects they spoke, and it ended up with ten main ways to read quran called Qera'at. On the other hand, the written started with the seven first copies and according to the way the Qera'a was people added accent marks... Now back to what you were saying, I'm not sure if any of these Qera'at actually read the way Mohammed did...I do think its possible though, if you have even been to an arabic country you would know how much of a gap there is between old and modern arabic. People don't write and the same language they speak, and the same thing goes for Quran. It is nothing like readinga normal book, not even old books written in formal arabic. I do think its a very interesting thing to listen to some different Qera'at and see which one would be closer to the Quraish dialect...
Comment by William S Wilcox on March 17, 2009 at 8:57am
I've been reading about the lingusitic analysis, which shows that Mohammed could not have read the words exactly as they are read today. The earliest Qur'ans have no accent marks or even dots to distinguish, for instance, ba, ta, tha or nun from each other; hamza has had to be added to fill in an original sound which was not pronounced in the Quraishi dialect of the Prophet. The later scholars wanted it to be in a 'better' form of Arabic, and chose the archaic form that had been used for prayer in the pre-Islamic temples, and this was superimposed onto the text by adding all the extra diacritical marks. This is what they don't want people to realise.
Comment by Sufian Ahmad on March 17, 2009 at 1:06am
I'll write it again, the Quran has a strong vocal tradition just like ancient arabic poetry. A muslim has to read Quran EXACTLY the way Mohammed did, that was a big contributor to preserving Islam. Later when they decided to write it down they had a problem with accent marks, they solved it by electing a copy of Quran and burned the rest. Seven copies were made and they remain in museums till this very day...
Comment by Sufian Ahmad on March 17, 2009 at 1:02am
I posted a big comment! Where did it go???
Comment by William S Wilcox on March 16, 2009 at 7:11pm
I am an atheist from childhood, but I have studied the history of Islam and the Arabic language. I find it irritating that the language is so permeated by the religion, one can barely have any kind of conversation without Allah being mentioned. I'm particularly interested in the very muddled and murky origins of the Qur'an, and how it was edited and re-written before the so-called 'perfect' book was produced. Islamic 'scholars' won't even discuss the matter.
 

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