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Comment by Robert M. Reed on January 11, 2011 at 9:31pm
Children, children! Please calm yourselves! We are, by defintion, rational. Chill. Now, just so you know, your both wrong, and on some points both right...but hey, that's just my oppinion. I won't go into details cause... well cause I don't want to. But remember that the fact that both of you have such oppinions makes both of your oppinions oversimplified... life, society, economic and people are pretty damned complicated...
Comment by Patrick on January 11, 2011 at 9:21pm
i stayed very civil. you were throwing insults at me rather than actual evidence.
Comment by Joseph P on January 11, 2011 at 9:19pm
Hah, and you throw out insults just like lots of idiots who attack atheists by comparing them to Christians.  Bye.
Comment by Patrick on January 11, 2011 at 9:17pm
that sounds like a christian when they are defeated.
Comment by Joseph P on January 11, 2011 at 9:17pm
Patrick, you're wrong, and you're assembling a model in a world that doesn't mirror the real world ... and I'm bored with this.  I'm going to go hit on some of the cute girls in the group.
Comment by Patrick on January 11, 2011 at 7:04pm
i wish people cared more about the environment. this planet has limited resources and the extent of government inefficiency and waste is depressing.
Comment by Patrick on January 11, 2011 at 6:58pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX8EswfGKQw&feature=related

oh the immoral things i would do to this economist....
Comment by Patrick on January 11, 2011 at 6:31pm
@joseph
privatized schools would not lead to creationism being taught. hell, we dont even teach evolution now in public schools. if schools were privatized then anyone could open a school and compete for the parent's money. thus there would be an incentive for schools to have better teachers, better statistics on number of graduates who go to college, etc. this increase in competition would result in lower education prices as well. people would actually be able to send their kids to private schools if they werent paying out the ass in property taxes to fund our shitty public schools. furthermore, teachers who sucked would actually get fired instead of kept around because it's almost impossible to fire a government employee, especially a unionized one. since 1970 when the department of education was founded have our public schools got better or worse? are we still the world leader in math and science or are we getting beat by fucking zimbabwe? the greatest innovations in modern biology are gained with evolution as the backbone. so universities with evolution in the curriculum would have better results and their students would have more success in the real world. people would want to go to those universities so they would put their kids in schools that prepare them for those universities. hence, private schools that taught evolution would gain in popularity. i can't stand when people defend our public schools because they know how horrible they are. if you could send your kids to a private catholic school it would probably better prepare them for the world than a public school, minus the religion part which i think can easily be reversed if you raise your kids right. have you seen the studies that have been done where they compare the number of administrators and bureaucrats that are needed for a private catholic school and compared it to the number required for a public school right next door? the ratio is astonishing. i forget the exact ratio but it is like 1:50 or something crazy. then when you look at the same two schools which one had more graduates? which one put more into universities? which one cost less per student? government sucks at doing.... just about everything.

we should connect the value of our currency to some sort of commodity. it could be gold or silver or both or anything really, as long as it can't be produced at a rapid rate or fluctuating rate. the fact that it isnt connected to something means we can just print money willy nilly and decrease the value of the dollar. why is this a bad thing you ask? well because everytime you put a dollar into savings for retirement that dollar doesnt hold it's purchasing power. so you basically have to save faster than the fed prints money and causes inflation. you hurt the people who save. central banks cant just print money if it is locked to a commodity like gold because you can't make gold out of thin air. also you should read about the inflation tax. when a central bank prints a bunch of new money they buy things with that money before the value of the currency goes down. so the rich bankers get to spend the money at the old value of the currency and by the time the new dollars gets down to the poor people and the average americans the market has adjusted for the influx of new dollars and prices go up. inflation is merely an increase in supply of dollars. therefore our current system keeps the rich rich and hurts the poor and even the middle class. if you care about poor people the gold standard is for you.

minimum wage laws, as the black economist thomas sewell points out, hurt the poor blacks because it prevented them from getting jobs doing basic things and gaining job experience. employers couldnt afford to pay them the minimum wage so they simple didnt hire them(that's just one example). minimum wage limits also raise the prices of goods because businesses must charge more to pay for this artificial hand in the market.

"The government subsidies simply helped businesses open up in the industries that the government wanted to encourage growth in." This is the most ubsurd thing you've said so far. if you have any experience with subsidized industries you would see how wrong you are. subsidies create monopolies and robber barons. i am so confident of this fact that if you can give an example of a monopoly or robber barren who did not come into being as a result of government intervention in the free market... um... i will congratulate you on being the first person to do so... hell i might even give up libertarianism. this is a common myth that is associated with free markets.

i grew up on a farm in north dakota and i can tell you many stories about the evils of subsidizing.
Comment by Keith on January 11, 2011 at 12:45pm

Nice. Agreed 100% Fred W. Hill.

 

 

Comment by Fred W. Hill on January 11, 2011 at 7:05am
No one can be truly free in this modern world.  How free are we as individuals when corporations are free to polute the air and water we need to survive?  And yes, members of corporations who are making massive profits have proved to be stupid enough to destroy the very environment necessary for survival. And there was hardly any regulation when big businesses nearly destroyed themselves by bringing about the Great Depression.  iWe do not live in small bands of hunter/gatherers any more.  Regulations and laws are required to protect the interests of all people.  The libertarian model of government will never work, except for the benefit of the very wealthy.
 

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