Comparing False Beliefs

Atheism as the absence of a belief in a god is the rational baseline.
Equality as the absence of any discrimination of women is the rational baseline.

The primary belief in the existence of a god is irrational and a mental defect.
The primary belief in the superiority of men is irrational and a mental defect.

The secondary belief in the power of prayer, the afterlife and such are also irrational and a mental defect.
The secondary belief in the male entitlement of reducing women to used as bodies as in domination, pornography, prostitution and promiscuity is also irrational and a mental defect.

Both false beliefs, the one in a god and the other in male superiority enhance, support and reinforce each other.

To free the world from false beliefs, it is not enough to remove the false belief in a god, the false belief in male superiority and entitlement needs also to be removed.

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Equality is the absence of any discrimination, period!

If porn, prostitution etc are so bad, no-one seems to have told the women that actually, willingly, consentually do those things. At least in civilised society, they do it because they want to and because there's a demand, not because they're being forced in any way.
Besides, you think women don't make use of these 'degrading' things as well? Perhaps not as much, and perhaps they don't admit to it. But these things are part of the human sexual nature. If there's no coercion involved, what's the problem?

Is it all sexy pictures etc you have a problem with, or only those of women?

As a group, men are physically taller and stronger, and think differently to women. This doesn't mean that men are better, just that they are better suited to certain tasks and situations. And women are better suited to other things. That's not a judgement, it's just the way things are.

In almost every other aspect of life, though, men and women should be treated equally. And on the whole we're doing a good job of promoting that.

women's alleged and apparent acquienscence to self-exploitation as sex-workers is due to the same brainwashing as is the slaves' acquienscence to gain their freedom by prayer.  

Enable a woman to develop her full intellectual potential, and she will claim equality and monogamy as her entitlement.   But the combination of religion and the already established male subtle dominance have successfully crippled women to an acquiescence, that ignorant men mistake for their free choice.

Telling to a man, that women do not exist to serve their instincts is the same as telling a christian, that jesus never lived.  Both cling to their false beliefs, because they fulfill their needs. 

A lot of women don't go in for monogamy.

Besides, most of our closest relatives in the evolutionary tree are nothing approaching monogamous, and there's no indicator that our pre-civilized ancestors were ... quite the contrary.  What makes you think we're special?

I think you're the one pushing an 'unnatural' (for what little that word is worth) view of women's sexuality.  Go talk to Dr. Kelly and tell her that she needs to stop having fun and be monogamous.

Animals have not conscious choice between monogamy or promiscuity.   Just as animals do not choose between being atheists or christians.  

Animals lack cognition and complex emotions.    They have no awareness for dignity and self-esteem, they are blindly driven to procreate and spread their genes.   Men, who are oblivious of female dignity and of the outrage of using them, are men, who are mentally crippled and stuck in a subhuman state of being animals.  They are like christians caught in a state of not having reached their potential.

True humanity in distinction to being instinct driven animals requires male awareness of female dignity and equality.   True human intelligence means to be an atheist.  

Animals have not conscious choice between monogamy or promiscuity.   Just as animals do not choose between being atheists or christians.  

Animals lack cognition and complex emotions.    They have no awareness for dignity and self-esteem, they are blindly driven to procreate and spread their genes.

So many bald assertions in such a small amount of text.  No animals make anything approaching a conscious choice?  So, what you're saying is that they're not applying our artificial construct of morality (which was mostly created by Christianity) to their sexual behavior?

And you haven't demonstrated that monogamy is superior to promiscuity, in any way.  There are health considerations in preventing pregnancy and disease, but once you have that covered, go have fun.

I also call bullshit on your statement about animals not having complex emotions.

Men, who are oblivious of female dignity and of the outrage of using them, are men, who are mentally crippled and stuck in a subhuman state of being animals.  They are like christians caught in a state of not having reached their potential.

So, by your definition, any man who wants to have sex with a woman, without making a monogamous commitment, is offending female dignity?  I think most of the women on this site will oppose you in that statement.

True humanity in distinction to being instinct driven animals requires male awareness of female dignity and equality.   True human intelligence means to be an atheist.

The way you speak of true humanity and true human intelligence sounds like you're pushing a religion.  I hate when people in the atheist community throw around, "You sound like a theist," as a pejorative, but this paragraph really does sounds like religious talk.

"Men, who are oblivious of female dignity and of the outrage of using them, are men, who are mentally crippled and stuck in a subhuman state of being animals."

Wow. Just wow. If you don't see how this is sexist bigotry, you truly don't understand what equality is.

(That is, unless you included those commas in error. ie: "Men who are x, are y" rather than "(All) men, who are x, are also y")

Wow. Just wow.

Heh, you should work on getting this phrase out of your usage.  It's over-used and makes you look like a dick.  I've had to slap myself down several times, when I've caught myself doing something similar.

Address the person's point and shoot it down.  Don't insert something like that and stand back and act as if they've said something that's so obviously insane that you don't have to comment.  If that was the case, then why would you say anything?

Point taken. Guess I'll revert back to a good old "Seriously??"

:)

"Seriously" ... and then still shoot down the statement.  :-P

Generally, I try to provide as much of an argument as the comment that I'm responding to.  The only reason I made such a clipped comment, down on the tail end of this thread (on page 2, right now) is because she was just repeating herself without adding anything, in the comment I was responding to.

Maruli, the other animals are not subhuman.  How begrudging we can be in extending our sphere of fairness and justice.  Just US, but not THEM!

"Telling a man that women do not exist to serve their instincts is the same as telling a christian that jesus never lived."

What utter crap!!

Do you really think that all men see women as just vaginas with legs?

Do you really think that no women actually want to show off their bodies or have sex for money? Ever heard of exhibitionists?

Do you really think all women want to be monogamous?

Do you really think there are no such thing as male porn stars or prostitutes?

To say that women only do this due to male "entitlement" is just wrong. To deny that women make these choices is to denigrate and insult those women that did make these choices. To claim that my opinions on the matter are simply wrong just because I'm a man is a cowardly, sexist attempt to avoid addressing the reality of the situation.

I'm not saying that sexism, chauvinism and exploitation doesn't happen. But you seem to have the idea that all men are disgusting perverts and all women are innocent waifs, some of whom are brainwashed somehow into choosing to take advantage of their bodies, but against their will...      Sorry to burst your bubble, but if they're not being forced into it, then they have free choice.

You've also confused women's rights with equality.
Equality is women's rights and men's rights. If it's just about women, then by definition it's not equality.

Equality is women's rights and men's rights. If it's just about women, then by definition it's not equality.

Just be careful that you don't turn into one of those men's rights proponents on reddit.  They're fucking insane.

There are true issues that have to be dealt with.  We're still not all the way to equality.  Honestly, I'm not sure we can ever quite reach it.  There are social issues that will have to be continually dealt with.

How many times have you walked down the street and had a car full of guys lean out the window and whistle at you to intimidate you?  And you can't say anything back to put them in their place for fear that you'll be assaulted in some horrifying way?

I have several friends who have that experience on ... I don't know if I'd say a regular basis, but it happens multiple times a year.

Maruli is going to insane extremes here.  Please don't go insane in the opposite direction, man.

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