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Atheists for the Gaza

This community is dedicated to spread awareness on the grave injustice the Israeli state has enacted on its occupied people. We stand in solidarity with the Gazans who war has deprived of every decent livelihood and every ounce of normalcy.

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Comment by Simon JM on September 12, 2010 at 7:35pm
What is frustrating to me here is that you seem so worried about where to draw neat little lines on maps that you forget about the real problems of economics, sustainability, and genuine independence.


Do you own any land Al-Kadim? One could safely say that regardless of the which lines in the sand we have plenty owned land in there own right.

How about if you do own land I take the majority of it and I don't want you complaining if I decide to take more just accept it and get on with life. BTW I get to choose to travel through some of the rest of your property plus unfortunately I'll have to bar you from it for safety reasons. & decide who comes and goes from your property.

Impossible to negotiate over which lines to use when the side just continues to take land
Comment by Al-KADIM on September 12, 2010 at 5:30pm
Actually, no. They were never officially recognized as the country's boundaries. They were armistice lines. Unfortunately, you don't know enough history of the region. But really, let's see you tackle the economics of a Palestinian state as in my discussion above. THe purpose of the previous post was simply to point out that you don't understand what those boundaries are, where those boundaries are, or why those boundaries are? Let's put it this way--would you include al-Auja or Himma in a Palestinian state to be?
Comment by Al-KADIM on September 12, 2010 at 3:43pm
What is frustrating to me here is that you seem so worried about where to draw neat little lines on maps that you forget about the real problems of economics, sustainability, and genuine independence. Without dealing with those genuine issues as I outlined in my recent discussion above, all that you are doing is promoting the creation of a Bantustan for Palestinians.
Comment by Al-KADIM on September 12, 2010 at 3:38pm
I'm really curious as to what you consider "legal borders." The legal boundaries of Mandate Palestine as determined by the French and British (Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916), minus Transjordan, which was separated in 1922? The northern border becomes tenuous however, considering that Tel Hai and Metulla were given to the French in 1919, only to be returned to the British in 1921.

Or perhaps you mean the 1947 UN Partition Plan (not the earlier plans, such as Whitehead, which would have left the south in Arab hands). However, that lumps Bethlehem in with Jerusalem as a single unit, which would vote after ten years on whose sovereignty it preferred.

Do you mean the Armistice Lines of 1948, which went unrecognized and were seen as temporary until a final peace agreement was reached? Of course, that would keep the predominantly Palestinian towns of Umm al-Fahm, Nazareth, and Shfaram under Israeli control, and does nothing for the 200,000 or so Bedouin in the area surrounding Rahat and Laqia.

Now let's talk about divided cities. No, I don't mean Jerusalem. I mean Rafah, which is divided between Gaza and Egypt. largely the result of bickering between the Ottomans and Britain. I am assuming you reject the 1841 Khan Yunis-Suez Line, since that brought the border too close to the southern edge of the Suez Canal, and was deemed a threat to colonial interests in the region. Do you honestly prefer the 1906 Rafah-Taba line, which protected British colonial interests? Do you know anything about historical development of the current borders?
Comment by Against All Fanatics on September 12, 2010 at 8:11am
Simon -- Your comment about TNT666 is funny. What do you think comments like yours do to the Palestinian cause? When reasonable people see such hateful comments, they shrug their shoulders and think "these people are nuts" then they move on to other matters. Talk about being a straw man.
Comment by Against All Fanatics on September 12, 2010 at 7:55am
Some members of this group would be more comfortable if the group was called Atheists Against Jews or Atheists for Hamas.

Promoting the state of Israel is not my ulterior motive. Promoting the states of Israel and Palestine is my openly declared motive. Small minds cannot conceive of promoting both.
Comment by Simon JM on September 12, 2010 at 3:37am
Funny thing is TNT666 it is such a obvious straw man that one can only wonder at his bias. None of us here support Hamas nor condone any war crimes they commit, but unlike him we can tell the difference between a cause and a symptom, for even if Hamas disappeared and the Palestinians present their necks for Israeli boots, the war crimes and occupation would not end.

Reminds me of the relatives of men who commit rape, who then attack/blame the rape victims family, they just don't know how sick they are!
Comment by TNT666 on September 12, 2010 at 3:17am
AAF you obviously value bible pseudo-historical accounts above genetic evidence. I think you should be the embarrassed one. Your comments indicate to me that you are here with ulterior motives and the promote the state of Israel.
Comment by Against All Fanatics on September 11, 2010 at 2:50pm
Reading of the Israel / Arab history shows that wars benefit Israel while negotiations benefit the Arabs. Yet the anti-Israel radicals choose to support violence.

Conclusion? Either the anti-Israel radicals can't read, or they hate Jews too much to care about mere facts.
Comment by Against All Fanatics on September 11, 2010 at 1:48pm
Using children, demonizing Jews, exploiting women, abusing civilians, ensuring that Palestinians remain without peace or justice. That's the track record of Hamas. Yet the idiotic left never has anything much to say about Hamas. Instead, they adopt the discourse of the Islamists and the anti-Semites.
 

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