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Atheists for the Gaza

This community is dedicated to spread awareness on the grave injustice the Israeli state has enacted on its occupied people. We stand in solidarity with the Gazans who war has deprived of every decent livelihood and every ounce of normalcy.

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Zionism, Nationalism and real politics motives.

Started by Geraldo Cienmarcos Apr 25, 2012. 0 Replies

The Worst Thing for Gaza

Started by Al-KADIM. Last reply by Against All Fanatics Sep 14, 2010. 7 Replies

End Demolitions Now

Started by Nate. Last reply by Against All Fanatics Sep 13, 2010. 1 Reply

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Comment by moonrhythm on June 9, 2012 at 6:41pm

5 Broken Cameras Home Videos Evolve into Stirring Film on Palestinian Resistance to Israeli Wall

Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on November 13, 2010 at 8:51pm
The Casablanca Call for Democracy and Human Rights
in the Arab World

CasaBlanca
The Casablanca Call for Democracy and Human Rights

We, the signatories to this call, as politicians, intellectuals and civil society advocates, believe that the achievement of democracy and the embodiment of human rights in the Arab world is an absolute necessity and requires a broader engagement of all citizens and political and social forces. We observe, with great concern, the dramatic and alarming backsliding of political reforms in the Arab world, due to several structural obstacles since the beginning of the new century. We hereby appeal to all parties concerned with the future of democracy - governments, civil society institutions, political organizations, trade unions, and the media - in the belief that the achievement of real and effective reforms is the responsibility of all parties.

READ MORE on line of the 12 point call...
https://www.csidonline.org/component/content/article/591-casablanca...
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on November 7, 2010 at 9:11pm
Dear TNT666,

I have to agree with you on the religion question. But still Zionism instilled a tribalism. Religious or not, there was, for some, a strong sense of ethnic superiority and entitlement in the Zionist movement for settlements in Palestine.
There were Zionists, not all, but some leaders of the movement that felt ideologically entitled to all of Palestine and wanted all the Arabs expelled. For example, Vladimir (Ze've) Jabotinsky who said openly that the Arabs will have to be forced from their land. For him at least, there was no pretense of "a land without a people for a people without a land."
Like with the English idea of manifest destiny, there has always been peoples who regarded themselves as the chosen people. I've read history revealing that even the Han Chinese took this attitude.

quote: "I believe that what 'poisons everything' is tribalism, machismo and greed." -- Jennifer Michael Hecht
-- Gary
Comment by TNT666 on November 7, 2010 at 8:44pm
zealous nationalism marries to religion

Except that the original zionists were atheists and Kibbutzers were atheist. In the case of Israel, the marriage between nationalism and religion is actually quite recent.
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on November 7, 2010 at 5:04pm
PHOTO JOURNALISM and my comment.

Palestinian Resistance vs. Israeli Barbarism (Photo report)

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/palestinian-resistance-vs-israeli-b...

> Palestinian Resistance vs. Israeli Barbarism
> Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 7:49AM Gilad Atzmon

People need to see the disproportionate use of force and violence pushed hard on Palestinians by the right wing Israeli government.

I think the religious humanist Rabbi Hillel would be ashamed of this raw
nationalism and oppression. What Israel is doing to the Palestinians I don't think is representative of Judiasm which has a long (but modern) history of compassion and rational thinking in Europe. But, I'm a secular Humanist, and I could be wrong.
I wouldn't have enough fingers to count all the Jewish Temples, Synagogues, and schools that bear his name in Los Angeles County, California.

"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
-- Hillel the Elder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillel_the_Elder

When zealous nationalism marries to religion the results are usually barbaric.

- Gary
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on September 15, 2010 at 3:21pm
Dear Al-Kadim,

Thank you for posting the link to the trailor / video "Precious Life".
Compassion is trans national. I hope it comes to Los Angeles.

Very moving.

I have a shirt button that reads:
NATIONALITY:
HUMAN

-- Gary
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on September 15, 2010 at 3:14pm
"Against all Fanatics" said:

"I for one am convinced that it is possible if the extremists on both sides are marginalized, which is why the main targets of my criticisms are Hamas and the Jewish settlers. "

I think one way to marginalize the fanatics is to identify the most secular, pro peace AND economic development movements in Palestine and the West Bank, as well as Israel and strongly support the secularists.
-- Gary
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on September 15, 2010 at 3:08pm
Dear "Against all Fanatics",

"The only way to prevent an attack by Israel on Iran's nuclear facilities (and all the potential repercussions) is to ensure that Iran does come close to building nuclear weapons. "

Is this what you intended to type or did you leave out the negative "does NOT come close".

If what you intended is "Iran does come close" what is your thinking on that? Deterrence?

There use to be a dark joke here in the US in the peace movement.
"If the US really knew that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, the US would NOT have attacked."

peace,
Gary
Comment by Al-KADIM on September 15, 2010 at 12:14pm
In a related story, this film just screened at the Toronto Film Festival this week and got some rave reviews. I am pleased, as I translated the Hebrew and Arabic for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JerFtui9gPU&feature=related

You can read about it here: http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117943311.html?categoryId=31&cs=1

here: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film-reviews/precious-life-film...

and here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2010/09/telluride-2010-preci...

It will be on HBO some time in 2011.
Comment by Against All Fanatics on September 15, 2010 at 7:47am
On the question of Iran's nuclear capacity, I don't think that pressure by Bush either way would have changed anything. Israel will strike Iran's nuclear facilities if and only if it feels that it has no choice. Anyone with any brains knows that Israel has nothing to gain from a confrontation with Iran. Israel isn't exactly going to create settlements there, and such an attack will likely create additional hostility with European powers, Muslim states, and even the U.S. government.

The only way to prevent an attack by Israel on Iran's nuclear facilities (and all the potential repercussions) is to ensure that Iran does come close to building nuclear weapons.
 

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