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Atheists for the Gaza

This community is dedicated to spread awareness on the grave injustice the Israeli state has enacted on its occupied people. We stand in solidarity with the Gazans who war has deprived of every decent livelihood and every ounce of normalcy.

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Zionism, Nationalism and real politics motives.

Started by Geraldo Cienmarcos Apr 25, 2012. 0 Replies

End Demolitions Now

Started by Nate. Last reply by Against All Fanatics Sep 13, 2010. 1 Reply

Hamas is the enemy

Started by Against All Fanatics Aug 28, 2010. 0 Replies

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Comment by Simon JM on September 14, 2010 at 9:36pm
I agree on Egypt with all the overpopulation, poverty and political corruption it is ripe to fall.

& water in the region is going to be a killer. I wouldn't be surprised if Iraq and Turkey go at it over this one.

Do you think Israel is foolish enough to bomb Iran?
Comment by Simon JM on September 14, 2010 at 8:57pm
Gaza would be one problem among many in a one state solution, and not in itself any more intractable than the other problems.

The problem is the US because of internal politics cannot be an honest broker and with internal Israeli politics being what they are we are still a long way off where all sides are forced to try to be fair in negotiations. I like a quote by Livy that speaks about not being able to live with the problems they have, but also not being able to bare the solutions as well. My feeling is that things will go on the way they have been until Peak Oil, Climate Change or the final Global Financial Crisis hit.

The US will go bankrupt and will have enough on its hands to worry about what is going on in Israel, so effectively they will be on their own. I expect surrounding states to turn into Islamic extremist failed states and for Israel to end up facing guerrilla warfare on all its borders and internally as well. Nukes are useless in these circumstances.

BTW if they bomb Iran this will come about that much quicker.

IMO time will run out before any solution could have been applied and things will sort themselves out on the ground. Iraq on steroids.
Comment by Simon JM on September 14, 2010 at 6:37pm
Al-Kadim I'm surprised that you aren't more informed on the demographic shifts as some Jews are already worrying about being outbreed and becoming the minority.
Comment by Simon JM on September 14, 2010 at 6:34pm
Israel and Palestine: A true one-state solution

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/02/AR2...
Comment by TNT666 on September 14, 2010 at 3:25pm
You asked for my idea of a solution, I'll reiterate my very first comment: 1 state, 1 person 1 vote. Internationally enforced, all military aid ceased.
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on September 14, 2010 at 3:04pm
All,

I think the issue of Arab-Palestinians rejecting "the UN partition" is complicated. Not all Palestinians rejected it. Also the motives of Britain, France and others, were not entirely altruistic.

I tend to agree that a spiritual - Biblical idea of "Jerusalem" and "Israel" was co-opted by Jewish European settlers, with a chauvinistic sense of entitlement to land, that in recent history was not their land. Even some indigenous Jews of Palestine were given the shove to some extent. Somewhat parallel, some native Americans wanted to make peace treaties with European settlers, at some sacrifice to themselves, and some did not.

What I find profoundly disturbing is the double standard that Israel postures with regards to Human Rights and War Crimes. In Israel's political schema, it seems that Palestinians don't have any rights.

And yet Jews have a long modern history that they can be proud of with regards to advocacy for human rights and its codification in law. Not to mention a proud advocacy and support for the fine arts, science, civil rights and especially public education, in Europe and the Americas where I live (USA). Why is that historical cultural sensibility of Jews ignored when it comes to Palestinians?
-- Gary
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on September 14, 2010 at 2:24pm
N E W S A N A L Y S I S

Five largest Israeli settlements: who lives there, and why.

from Christian Science Monitor
http://tinyurl.com/26b4axd
Comment by Against All Fanatics on September 14, 2010 at 7:29am
The Palestinian problems started when Arabs convinced the Palestinians to reject the UN partition plan and promised to throw the Jews into the sea. Various self-interested groups have been encouraging the Palestinians towards violence ever since. What is amazing is that there are still so many Palestinians who reject violence. They deserve our unmitigated support. One notable example is Ray Hanania:

Comment by Against All Fanatics on September 14, 2010 at 7:14am
TNT666 -- I don't believe in the Bible or any other "holy" book any more than you do, but I do believe in people. Israel exists whether you like it or not, just as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and a host of other "Islamic" states exist as well, and they aren't disappearing tomorrow. At least Israel is much more democratic than these other states although it isn't perfect. The fact that you harp on that imperfection and ignore everything else makes you a fanatic. Palestinian governments (even Fatah which I largely support) aren't perfect either, but you can choose to look at the positives, which I do.
Comment by TNT666 on September 14, 2010 at 3:23am
It is what is so entirely ludicrous about the mere existence of Israel! A bunch of atheists convinced a bunch of religious people to use biblical lore to steal land from another group of people of same blood line!!!!!!!!!

And they havn't "always" seen themselves as an ethnic group, mostly only since the past century's zionist movement has this been the case. Before zionism, "autonomy" groups were little splinter groups. Last century's zionism coalesced "ethnicity" to bliblical homeland. This modern planet of ours is not one where "groups of people" no matter their religious inclination, can just declare homelands for themselves just because "they feel like it", over the backs of other residents. What a pompous attitude.
 

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