A new organisation is stirring up controversy in Malaysia.
[The Obedient Wives Club] launched on Saturday, says it can cure social ills such as prostitution and divorce by teaching women to be submissive and keep their men happy in the bedroom. "Islam compels us to be obedient to our husband. Whatever he says, I must follow. It is a sin if I don't obey and make him happy," said Ummu.
Just wondering, but is female submission the only thing that makes men happy and keeps societies afloat? You hear this argument again and again all over the world, and the saddest thing is when you hear it coming from women.
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When you immediately cry wolf about sexism, man-bashing and whatnot you do make assumptions about motivations of people involved.
I don't usually discuss that much with people that start complaining to others about being offensive, now I remember why. Over-reacting? Ehm... yeah right TByte, everybody else is overreacting, you are the lone bastion of reason here.
I DID NOT IMMEDIATELY CRY WOLF ABOUT SEXISM OR MAN-BASHING!
Read my original post, people! I rightly said I was offended by her generalized comment demeaning men. Which it was. The man-bashing did not occur until everybody jumped on me, telling me that I had no right to be offended or state my opinion.
Get your facts straight, people.
And STILL nobody on here has had the courage to answer my questions. Not one of you. Not one question.
Frankly, Sandy's words came across to me more like something directed at the members of this "Obedient Wives Club". I don't see any misandry in it whatsoever. It seems like a question asked in irony to those women who had initiated said club.
Yes, there has been a great deal of misandry on this site placed here in place of feminism, and yes, such is objectionable. However, this is not some of that stuff. You've pulled out the Pooper-Scooper for a piece of novelty rubber dog-doo.
No it wasn't Dustin. As you and Jared and Rob all realised, I was directing my comment at the so-called Obedient Wives using what I thought was sarcasm but might have been irony (I've always had trouble telling the difference). Take your pick.
sarcastic characterized by words that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride.
ironic deliberately stating the opposite of the truth, usually with the intention of being amusing.
I have to say I'm taken aback by TByte's response, not only to my original post, but also to my explanation of it. He's convinced that my only motive was to attack men, and nothing I say can shake him of that conviction. He seems to have had some bad experiences with heavy-duty feminists, so I can understand why, but I still feel deeply misunderstood and I think he's doing exactly what he's railing against feminists for -- applying generalisations and stereotyping the opposite gender.
Exactly where in your short comment did you indicate that you were limiting your observation to Indonesian men (and even that is offensive). If I were to post a link to a story about prostitutes in Los Angeles and supplied a comment such as "Why are women such whores?" would you have assumed I meant only prostitutes in California?
No, you would not.
And if I defended myself by claiming that I am misunderstood, and wondering why you can't take a joke, would you be satisfied?
No, you would not. And your attempts to explain away your motivations rather than simply apologizing and recognizing the implications of your post are convincing me that you are fully aware of the double standard.