Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., now says he's embarrassed by his former stance on women in the ministry. Apparently he did some really intense Scripture study, probably about the time he was up for the presidential position at the seminary, and decided he was wrong about women in the ministry. I guess he never got as far as Romans 16:1, or maybe he was only reading the written-by-God-KJV, which refers to Phoebe as a "servant" when the more accurate translation of "diakonon" would be "minister" or "ministrant" or even "deaconess."

Even though the word "diakonos" and it's conjugates are rendered as "minister" or "deacon" in all but one other place, in Romans the translators bent the text to their misogynistic purposes and demoted Phoebe to "servant."

Nice going, guys. Way to stay classy.

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Alternate title for Mohler's news article: "How Religion Transformed a Progressive Thinker into a Regressive, Misogynistic Dolt Overnight!"

What a tool, he should be embarrassed of the patriarchal, authoritarian dominance within his religion.

Frog effortlessly presents alternate, plausible interpretations that these so-called "Biblical scholars" have failed to produce, er, ignored? (Of course, I don't know, Frog may be a Biblical scholar for all I know, but he is considerably more knowledgeable than the Baptists seem to be.)

This phenomena is probably the single most revolting aspect of religion to me - the church forces its followers to stop thinking and substitute its dogma, hatred, and repression for their own intellectual integrity & judgment.
I'm not a biblical scholar. I just have a few translation websites and a really nice Strong's Exhausting Concordance.

The whole Phoebe thing rubs me the wrong way. It's one of the few things in the Bible I've put a lot of time into researching.

I love to ask the Baptists where their bishops are. The New Testament only mentions three levels of church hierarchy: Elders (presbýteros), ministers, ministrants or servants (diakonos) and bishops or overseers (episkopoi). Whereas the Catholics have made up a bunch of new ones (cardinals, archbishops, popes) most Southern Baptists fail to read their Bibles and have dropped both the Elders and the Bishops, and have split the minister(diakonos) into two positions, one clergy and one lay clergy.
I didn't know that, I was a Methodist for over 30 years. I had no idea the organization of the church was bible based. It just seemed logical. Learn something new everyday. Thanks!
Heh, yeah. Who do you think wrote the New Testament? Even if you make claims about Paul (the misogynistic turncoat) writing the important later bits, the final editorial process was done by people 300 years after him. The final editing is the most influential component, where they ripped out most of the writings and changed around a lot. It was essentially the early incarnation of the Catholic church which did that. They built their own existent dogma into their book, at least in its primordial form.

That's why fundies who say that Catholics aren't Christian make me laugh so hard. The Catholics are the original Christians. No matter what sort of purity the fundigelicals think they're going back to, if they stay with the Bible, they're being corrupted by what they think they're rebelling against ... never mind if they stick with the perverse translation of the King James version.
This phenomena is probably the single most revolting aspect of religion to me - the church forces its followers to stop thinking and substitute its dogma, hatred, and repression for their own intellectual integrity & judgment.

You're describing the basic function of religion, and then you're getting outraged about it. I don't understand.

"I'm am Jack's total lack of surprise."
What's not to understand? Do you have a question?
No, it's just that you're getting upset because something is performing the function for which it was created. :-D
In programming, it's called "operating as designed." Even if it's wrong, if it's operating as designed, it's not broken. It's just wrong.
Where as I usually deal with pebkac errors.

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